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28 July 2010 My query is that,
(1) the income trading in commodities (Gold And Silver) is whether business income or Speculative income
And if,
(2) its business income, then what would be his tax audit limit whether,
(a) 40 lakhs turnover sales of commodities
OR
(b) 10 lakhs, only profit from trading in it.


will the situation will be same if its futures and options


Please, waiting for early reply..and please provide notification ya source of the same.

28 July 2010 If delivery trading then non speculation business income and if in F & O speculation profit.

Turnover for delivery is sales and limit 40 lakhs.

Turnover for F & O is mark to market sum of positive & negative differences.

If the above exceed Rs. 40 lakhs then tax audit.

28 July 2010 well section 43(5) says that trading in derivaities will not be treated as speculation income so it is a business income....
I want know what will be consider for tax audit..(1) turnover. ie. sales of commofities (2) ya only profit or loss of it....

Please provide answer with legal supporting ( provision ya case) .


28 July 2010 Well as per section 43(5) F & O in non speculative if traded on a recognised stock exchange and commodities exchange are not recognised stock exchange in India for income tax purpose.

So F & O In commodities is speculation business income only.

1. If delivery trading is done then sales is turnover.

2. In case of F & O sum of positive & negative differences is considered as turnover.

29 July 2010 thanx for your reply......
but i am unable to find that future trading in commodities are speculative...could u suggest me where i can find that...specially in book ya notification...

29 July 2010 Section 43(5) states as under:
(5) 32“speculative transaction”33 means a transaction in which a contract33 for the purchase or sale of any commodity, including stocks and shares, is periodically or ultimately settled otherwise than by the actual delivery33 or transfer of the commodity or scrips:

Provided that for the purposes of this clause—

(a) a contract in respect of raw materials or merchandise entered into by a person in the course of his manufacturing or merchanting business to guard against loss through future price fluctuations in respect of his contracts for actual delivery of goods manufactured by him or merchandise sold by him; or

(b) a contract in respect of stocks and shares entered into by a dealer or investor therein to guard against loss in his holdings of stocks and shares through price fluctuations; or

(c) a contract entered into by a member of a forward market or a stock exchange in the course of any transaction in the nature of jobbing or arbitrage to guard against loss which may arise in the ordinary course of his business as such member; 34[or]

34[(d) an eligible transaction in respect of trading in derivatives referred to in clause 35[(ac)] of section 2 36 of the Securities Contracts (Regulation) Act, 1956 (42 of 1956) carried out in a recognised stock exchange;]

shall not be deemed to be a speculative transaction.

37[Explanation.—For the purposes of this clause, the expressions—

(i) “eligible transaction” means any transaction,—

(A) carried out electronically on screen-based systems through a stock broker or sub-broker or such other intermediary registered under section 12 of the Securities and Exchange Board of India Act, 1992 (15 of 1992) in accordance with the provisions of the Securities Contracts (Regulation) Act, 1956 (42 of 1956) or the Securities and Exchange Board of India Act, 1992 (15 of 1992) or the Depositories Act, 1996 (22 of 1996) and the rules, regulations or bye-laws made or directions issued under those Acts or by banks or mutual funds on a recognised stock exchange; and

(B) which is supported by a time stamped contract note issued by such stock broker or sub-broker or such other intermediary to every client indicating in the contract note the unique client identity number allotted under any Act referred to in sub-clause (A) and permanent account number allotted under this Act;

(ii) “recognised stock exchange” means a recognised stock exchange as referred to in clause (f) of section 2 38 of the Securities Contracts (Regulation) Act, 1956 (42 of 1956) and which fulfils such conditions as may be prescribed and notified39 by the Central Government for this purpose;]


29 July 2010 Commodities exchange is not recognised stock exchange. Hence it is still speculation income only.



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