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Offsetting Short termCap Loss of prev year against busGain

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21 August 2010 Hi, last year I had Short Term Capital loss . If I switch to Business Profits method
1. Can I offset that STCG loss against current year business gain accruing through share trading ? All share trading is delivery based.

2. Can this STCG loss be carried forward for possible next year gains?

22 August 2010 1. Short term capital loss can be set off against capital gains only in the same year and against future STCG only and not against business profit. So no.

2. Yes.

23 August 2010 Till last year I was using the STCG method for filing tax returns whereby I had a STC Loss. This year I am changing to Business Income method . Income from share trading being the only source of income .

how do I adjust the STC Loss ?

thanks and regards


23 August 2010 YOu cannot.

24 August 2010 Thanks again for the reply.

As business income from share trading---
can the following costs be reduced in arriving at the gain:
Service tax on brokerage; education cess on the above service tax; STT paid on purchase/sale; stamp duty paid on daily turnover; DP charges on purchase/sale; annual DP maintenance charges; interest on borrowed capital; any other expenses such as travelling, consultancy fees etc


Any other ?

24 August 2010 Yes this can be claimed Service tax on brokerage; education cess on the above service tax; STT paid on purchase/sale; stamp duty paid on daily turnover; DP charges on purchase/sale; annual DP maintenance charges.

Any other expenses incurred in relation to share trading business can be allowable as an expenditure including interest on borrowed capital; any other expenses such as travelling, consultancy fees.

30 August 2010 Hi,
Thanks again for the reply.

My brother is working in a private IT firm.
His trading volume has crossed 60 lakh last year.

All trades are delivery based .

Q: is it necessary for him to go for tax audit? or tax audit is mandatory only for intraday trades?

regards

30 August 2010 With switching to business income method

can I claim benefits of LTCG by holding shares for more than one year?

I have heard that a person can maintain different portfolios i.e. for long term and short term Is it true?


31 August 2010 yes as per circular no. 4/2007.

for the circular visit this link
http://law.incometaxindia.gov.in/DIT/File_opener.aspx?page=CIR&schT=&csId=1265ffc5-f116-4812-94a9-4e854b3ca5bb&crn=4&yr=2007&sch=&title=Taxmann - Direct Tax Laws

31 August 2010 Hi,

The highly informative link sent by you seems to suggest that a person can have both capital gains and business income.
This implies that I can have STCG , LTCG and Business income all while trading in shares .

If this is true then I should be able to offset STCG Loss earned in previous year against shares sold this year where I have earned dividends but sold them
before One year.

Kindly Guide.

regards

31 August 2010 U are now drifiting from your original query.

Referring to your query now you can have all LTCG and Business income all while trading in shares as per the circular given and even set off your STCL.

31 August 2010 Thank you for being so patiently answering to my queries. Perhaps I did not state my issue properly. Kindly excuse me for that.However , I believe we are now on the right track.

Please guide:
1. How do we distinguish between share sale inviting STCG vs for business ? Does holding it for a few months or getting the divedend qualify? All buys are delivery based with STT paid.


2 Holding a share for One year thereby getting the benefit of LTCG exemption


Does this mean that I have to pay no business profits for it .
or the profits will be deducted against income ?


Thanks again for all the help

regards


01 September 2010 There is a recent case law where it has been held that if the assessee sells shares within 30 days it will be considered as business income and if he sells after 30 days it will be capital gains.
Department has taken a criteria that, gains earned from shares which were held for more then 30 day is to be treated as Short Term and gain from shares held less then 30 days as adventure in nature of trade and the same has also been confirmed in one of the ITAT judgements and hence u could follow this rule also.

01 September 2010 Can you please provide the reference?


Holding a share for One year thereby getting the benefit of LTCG exemption


Does this mean that I have to pay no business profits for it .
or the profits will be deducted against income ?


Thanks again for all the help


01 September 2010 http://shubhamblog.co.cc/legal-update-profit-on-account-of-frequent-pu
and this
http://www.forum4finance.com/2010/08/04/holding-period-for-purposes-of-computation-of-capital-gain/


01 September 2010 http://www.taxmann.com/FileOpener.aspx?sUrl=http://www.taxmann.com/TaxmannFlashes/flashbn4-8-10_3.htm&SearchID=1831&type=4

01 September 2010 Hi,
Treatment of LTCG

Does this mean that I have to pay no tax and deducted from business profits ?


Thanks again for all the help

regards

01 September 2010 yes and u can thank by using thank user icon also.

01 September 2010 Hi,
It is a real pitty that I can use the Thank You icon just once.

Thanks again for helping

regards

01 September 2010 You can thank once on each post i. e. u can thank in each post also.

01 September 2010 Wow !

Awesome answers by Dear Aditya !

Thanks.



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