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16 December 2013 MY FRIEND HAS BOUTIQUE INCOME HE WANT TO FILE HIS INCOME TAX RETURN I.E. ITR 4 HIS LAST YEAR INCOME WAS 175000 AND NEXT YEAR RETURN INCOME IS 210000 MY QUESTION IS WHETHER THIS COMES IN BOOKS NOT MAINTAINED I.E. ITEM 51d OR FULL PROFIT AND LOSS SHOULD BE FILLED. TURNOVER IS APPROX 700000 AND 850000 RESPECTIVELY PLEASE HELP

16 December 2013 yes the books are required. However, you can also file ITR4S for this income and avoid maintaining of books till the time you achieve Rs 1 cr of turnover.

17 December 2013 THANKS SIR FOR REPLYING BUT IF I FILE ITR 4S THAN DONT YOU THINK HE WILL COME UNDER VAT?
PLEASE REPLY


17 December 2013 ITR 4S and vat have no connection u can file itr 4s.

17 December 2013 And vat is applicable then u have to pay it irrespective of itr filed.

17 December 2013 THANKS TUSHAR FOR REPLYING BUT HIS TURNOVER WILL EXCEED ABOVE 15 LACS IN THIS SCENARIO HE CAN COME UNDER VAT AND ALSO LBT PLZ HELP

17 December 2013 BUT SIR ACTUAL TURNOVER IS NOT AS PER VAT
SO HOW CAN HE BE LIABLE FOR VAT AS HE IS NOT MAINTAINING ANY BOOKS

17 December 2013 Yes practically what u said is applicable once you use itr - 4s then accordingly after appropriate tax planning should be done before taking a decision in this regard.


17 December 2013 CAN U PUT SOME MORE LIGHT ON YOU SAID TUSHARJI

17 December 2013 See in case of vat there are high chance to get scrutiny notices as they have become more stricter then prev period.....

so i would suggest you to show same turnover in both vat and income tax case and use itr 4 as the exp can be claimed and net profit can be brought down by appropriate tax planning in income tax.

this way if vat authorities cross check the turnover or other details then u can have consistency in it.

17 December 2013 SO TUSHARJI ULTIMATELY YOU ARE SAYING I HAVE TO GO THROUGH FULL P/L IN ITR 4 NOT ONLY ITEM 51 D WHICH IS FOR BOOKS NOT MAINTAINED?

17 December 2013 yes this is more suitable in your situation.


17 December 2013 if assesse comes under vat and filed returns under vat..
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take turnover as per vat returns so that later there will not be any problem with vat& it departments
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what ever profit you are disclosing was more than 8% of turnover so you can go with that income..and better you go with ITR-4S where no need to maintain books of accounts
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