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Mourn Day

Krunal Raichura (Financial Advisory) (2134 Points)

01 July 2009

I appeal all the students to observe today as a mourn day.

Our respected president frequently uses the term "CA Pariwar". We all have seen how badly the children of this Pariwar are treated. Even after 60 years of establishment of ICAI, of 60 years of independence, labour exploitation still prevails. India has become independent, but a CA student has not.

Before talking in their journals/speeches, they should first understand that "Pariwar" is incomplete without children and further they should learn how children should be treated in a pariwar.

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Neha L. Jain (PCC student) (90 Points)
Replied 01 July 2009

buddy... thats not true....

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Kalpesh (Accountts & Income Tax) (338 Points)
Replied 01 July 2009

IN 60 YEARS U R BOSS . CA ALSO GONE THROUGH SAME PROCESS AND STILL THEY DONT WANNA GIVE TREATMENT LIKE U WISE BECAUSE THAY FACE THAT THATS THE RIGHT WAY OF TRAINNING AND THEREFORE THEY ARE IN POSITION WHICH HELP THEM

DO ONE THING.. WHEN U BECOME CA... U CHANGE WHAT U WANT....

LAWYER ALSO HAVE SAME KIND TRAINING BUT U KNOW WELL HOW THEIR VALUE IN PUBLIC AND WHATS VALUE IS CA...

Krunal Raichura (Financial Advisory) (2134 Points)
Replied 01 July 2009

Just because the previous generations suffered, it does not mean the next generation should also suffer. Your generation lived without electricity, good infrastrucutre...but that no one in this generation would like living that way.

What is the right way of training is well defined in ICAI rules which are hardly followed. In no case the right way of training is to challenge fundamental rights (not allowing tranfer thus forcing a person to work somwhere even if he is not interested).

You may kindly refer to the other topics posted by thousands of students and the members (especially of Mr. Vidhyashankar) where the truth of the state of affairs has been revelaed and exposed.

Change is the law of life and off course we can see that a lot has changed everywhere in last few decades. Its just that ICAI still has lot of unchanged things which will surely get changed soon. Even the mentality that because we suffered, others should also suffer has not changed it seems.

Some lawyers do have good value. All CAs dont have good value. Remember - "Every successful person is not a CA and every CA is not successful".

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Kalpesh (Accountts & Income Tax) (338 Points)
Replied 01 July 2009

NOBODY IS SUFFER IN THIS FIELD.. ITS PART OF LIFE AND STUDY... CA IS NOT A COACHING CLASS WHERE U ONLY LEARN THEORY. THEY TEACH U PRACTICAL LIFE WITH GOOD EXPERIANCE AND EXPOSURE.

WHILE RESULT COME EVERYONE RUSH TO CA TO JOIN THEIR FIRM AND AFTER THAT THEY WANT TO LEAVE THAT FIRM DUE TO OVER WORK ONLY. AS MUCH AS U WORK U GET MORE EXPERIANCE IN LIFE.

THERE ARE ALWAYS POSITIVE AND NEGATIVCE SIDE. IF OUR AIM IS TO BECOME A CA THEN I DONT THINK THERE CAN BE ANY EXCUSE.

DID U NOTICE NO CA REPLAY U R QUEARY. BECAUSE THEY DONT GIVE IMP TO THIS TOPIC.

THEY ARE GURUJI AND THEY HAVE RIGHT ON US.

IF U TALKING ABOUT RULES. THEN DONT BREAK TRAFIC SIGNALS. DONT PAY BRIBE. DONT USE SHORTCUT. FIRST MAKE U R SELF COMPLETE WITH RULES AND THEN FINGURE OUT ON OTHER TO FOLLOW RULES.

60 YEARS EXPERIANCE SAY THAT THEY R BOSS AND PERFACT.

U PPL TAKING ABT GENEARTION AND MAKING BIG GAP OF GENERATION. FOLLOW YOUR ELDER AND CREATE UR VALUE AND THEN U CHANGE RULE.

Krunal Raichura (Financial Advisory) (2134 Points)
Replied 01 July 2009

The respect gained because of the power of law cannot be said to be earned respect.

Further, it is because of the bossgiri attitude we do not have CA's on fortune 500 list of richest people...atleast not in top 100. Whereas people who have dropped out education have made it there and have recruited lakhs of bosses (CAs) to do their donkey work. So I think I have better ideals to look at and I dont need to look at CAs if I wish to really follow someone. The difference between those people and CAs who believe they are bosses is attitude. The ego problem which gives the feeling of boss and the bossgiri ideology is insance. Those guys who have made it really big are those who have learnt to value people and have changed their ancient bossgiri mentality.

It does not make any difference to me in anyway whether any CA or CA student replies/does not reply/agrees or disagrees to the above views.

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sumit (CA student) (203 Points)
Replied 01 July 2009

I completely agree with u Krunal....there is no point in calling this a CA 'Pariwar' when students are treated as Servants and just wonder how people like Mr. Kalpesh can justify such a system

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Yogesh Shah (Managing Corporate Finance) (1051 Points)
Replied 01 July 2009

Hi Krunal,

You've joined ICAI now and u r a member of this "PARIWAR" now.

So, respect ur Institute & ur Profession.

If u have any problem, it is better to settle off by communicating with ICAI. Don't publicise it.

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sumit (CA student) (203 Points)
Replied 01 July 2009

Mr. Yogesh, nobody here has an intention of disrespecting this profession or ICAI and how do you expect us to communicate with ICAI when they don't even reply to our e-mails.

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Krunal Raichura (Financial Advisory) (2134 Points)
Replied 01 July 2009

Yogesh,

You are right. Infact because I have joined the CA course, I have mentioned the need to realise that if CA is a pariwar then CA students are the children of this pariwar and they should be treated well.

If I would have not been a CA student, there would have been no reason for me to think and talk about ICAI.

I have gone through the transfer problems like thousands of other students. Myself and all other students and some ICAI members dont want future generations to go through the same and that is why all of them have criticised these harsh steps of the institute and have urged rationalisation of regulations.

I am sure all of us are proud to be CA students (otherwise there is no point being in this course) and would take even more pride in being a member of ICAI.

PRAVIN ( M.Com ML MBA(Finance)) (352 Points)
Replied 01 July 2009

Surely its a labour problem. See one of the rule is when a student is registered to PCC he has to undergo 3 1/2 years of article training eventhough he switches over to IPCC. when the article training for IPCC is only 3 years.

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Kalpesh (Accountts & Income Tax) (338 Points)
Replied 01 July 2009

WHATEVER U ALL SAYS ITS ONLY AN ARGUE.

I BELIEVE IN INDIA CA IS A PROFESSION WHERE PEOPLE GIVE RESPECT. IF U WANT TO TAKE RESPECT THE HAVE TO DO SOME LABOUR JOB. AND ABOUT U R PROBLEM. U BATTER GO TO COACHING CLASS DONT PRACTISE AT CA. I WORK UNDER CA AND I EXPERIANCE THAT I M MORE POWERFUL THEN AN ORDINARY ACCOUNTANT.

EVERY COIN HAVE TWO SIDE. IF U LOOK NEGATIVE SIDE THEN U NEVER COME OUT TO POSITIVE.

CA DONT NEED FORTUNE 500 NAME BUT THEY WHO APPROVED THE LIST. VALUE OF SIGN IS IMPORTANT. SO DONT ARGUE 500 LIST.

GO MAKE A UNION AND GO TO ICAI.

IF U THAT MUCH SURE NO RESULT WILL COME OUT THEN HAVE TO HAPPILY ACCEPT THAT AND ENJOY WORK. WHEN U BECOME CA AND THEN ONLY U KNOW THE VALUE OF TIME AND ARTICLES.

STILL I M SAYING CA IS NOT EVEN FEEL TO REPLAY THIS BECAUSE THEY KNOW YOUR OPENION IS WRONG

CA Alok Modak (CA in Practice) (595 Points)
Replied 01 July 2009

Grow up Kunal..

Life isnt Fair...

CA Alok Modak (CA in Practice) (595 Points)
Replied 01 July 2009

u got to take the new changes in your stride..

Dont waste ur time doing this stuff.....study instead and find the way out by passing with flying colours..

I know its hard but everybody has to go thr' it..

Best wishes..

Krunal Raichura (Financial Advisory) (2134 Points)
Replied 01 July 2009

Kalpesh Sir,

What would the coaching class do for transfer problem?

I thank you for your free advice, but I never asked you for the same and I seriously dont need it. I work with the a reputed firm and everyone is treated very well here.

Its just that I dont want other students to get trapped in the transfer rules and suffer like thousands of students are suffering today. Since last many years, everyone has thought like you, that is why lot of things have remain unchanged. People thought that earlier generations suffered, we will suffer. No one bothered to fight back and create a revolution. But those days are gone and very soon you will see the changes. For any kind of progress, one must recognise the need to change (if required) and deal with it effectively. Those who are not able to manage and deal with changes get wiped out.

Guys, what can I say about a person who proudly says that he feels powerful than an ordinary accountant???? I dont think any of you would like to compare yourselves with ordinary accountants. Even an ordinary accountant would like to think big. It was funny to know that CAs approve fortune 500 list!!!!

I value time and articleship both. If you see other forums, you fill find that I have always been of the view that one must undergo regular articleship and you will also find that I have tried to inspire others for the same.

This forum is not as impure/manipulated as the financials which CAs have been signing so this forum does not need any reply from particularly any CA and thus is open to all.