Minimum stipend in Pakistan-must see!!

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CA Dhiraj Ramchandani (CA, M. com) (10823 Points)
Replied 07 November 2009

Originally posted by :MANMEET
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YES, DHIRAJ YOU ARE VERY RIGHT IN SAYING THAT OUR INSTITUTE IS VERY GOOD. EVEN IF WE ARE EXPLOITED AT THE HANDS OF OUR CA’s, THEN EVEN ICAI IS NOT TO BE BLAMED, BCOZ CA's ARE THE REAL CULPRITS . BUT FROM WHOM THEY GET THESE POWERS. NO, NO, NOT AT ALL FROM ICAI , WHO HAS MADE ALL THE RULES IN FAVOUR OF OUR CA's & EVEN SNATCHING THE LAST RIGHT OF ARTICLES BY IMPOSING RESTRICTIONS ON TRANSFER, SO THAT ARTICLES BECOME SLAVES IN THE HANDS OF THEIR CA's. THE INSTITUTE HAS GIVEN POWERS TO ITS MEMBERS TO THE EXTENT THAT THEY CAN EVEN "CUT DOWN THE ATTENDANCE OF THEIR ARTICLE TO ZERO” & THE ARTICLES CAN DO NOTHING. MOREOVER GETTING OVERTIME FROM THE ARTICLES IN THE SEASON TIME & THEN NOT COMPENSATING IT HAS BECOME THEIR HABIT. TO WHOM SHALL WE COMPLAIN, THERE IS NO ONE IN THE INSTITUTE TO HEAR OUR VOICE BCOZ  WE ARE JUST STUDENTS NOT POWERFUL LIKE THEM
AND WHATEVER I HAVE WRITTEN IS NOT AT ALL NINDAA(SAYING WRONG ABOUT A GOOD PERSON) OF ICAI BUT THE TRUTH. IF DHIRAJ YOU DO NOT HAVE THE GUTS TO ACCEPT THE REALITY, THEN PLEASE DON’T DO ITS USTAT (SAYING MORE & MORE GOOD ABOUT A WRONG PERSON WHO DOES NOT DESERVE IT)
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Hi Manmeet.., u know, i wud have commented on all this.. But i think, there should be some deifference betn me and u..... And so i should not act like u..

 

And all the matters u said, the kind of "EXPLOITATION"..... What do u think?? Whose fault is it?? Is it ICAI forcing CAs to let u sit overtime and not compensate??

 

 

And above all, just let me know, what do u consider ICAI as?? I mean, according to u?? What it is?? A person, a corporate body, a company, an association?.. what??

 

And people like u can complain only., just complain,, u complain about ur boss - coz they are exploiting u, u complain about ICAI - coz they are not listening to u, u complain about ur some other people - coz they may not be supporting u, u complain ..... u complain.....

 

But, u can't come a step ahead and make some action, after being a CA.., u'll do the same as ur boss does with u..

And now this is reality, if u've gutts, face it... Coz u can't dare to change urself and so are u complaining for rest of the world..

 

 

Othervise, in INDIA, there are various other proffessions, where the training is given but not the stipend.. If stipend is paid, then fees charged them by are very high (Both of them are not followed by ICAI).... But still, students in those proffessions manage to complete their education, coz they want to... If each and every person starts thinking like u, i really don't know, what d hell gonna b wid dis proffession than... U just have to spent 3.5 years of struggle, then u r going to b the part of ICAI itself... But no, u've to complain, rather than bearing and lookin at other positive aspects.../// This is reality Manmeet.


C.A. Sanjay Bhatia (CA) (496 Points)
Replied 07 November 2009

Dhiraj,as u said

But, u can't come a step ahead and make some action, after being a CA.., u'll do the same as ur boss does with u..

what action we could take,thousands of mails are mailed to Mr. uttam prakash aggarwal highlighting students problems but no reply is being given.

Then what should we do, go for protesting????or 

 


CA Dhiraj Ramchandani (CA, M. com) (10823 Points)
Replied 07 November 2009

Originally posted by :Sanjay Bhatia
" Dhiraj,as u said
But, u can't come a step ahead and make some action, after being a CA.., u'll do the same as ur boss does with u..
what action we could take,thousands of mails are mailed to Mr. uttam prakash aggarwal highlighting students problems but no reply is being given.
Then what should we do, go for protesting????or 
 
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Sanjay, i'm not at all asking anyone to protest against ICAI or CAs...

 

I'm just asking to remain quit for 3.5 years,, as other students from their own proffessions do... In this forum, few students are behaving like they have been exploited, unki zindagi barbaaad kar daali ho jaise... Arey bhai, agar ye sab nai karna tha to CA kyun liya... PCC ke regsteration form pe clearly likha hai that u r going to have articleship for 3.5 years.., fir agar ab usme thode ups & downs aa rahe hain to avoid them,.... just concentrate on studies, why to involve urself in any rivalry?? wo b bewajah...


Nilanj Raval (Student) (89 Points)
Replied 07 November 2009

Kuch Jyada stipend se koi bohat badi chiz nahi ho jane wali hai lekin ICAI should give some Attention to student side. BCOZ many students r doing only routine works in the office, bcoz they have no options. aur it is perfectly considerable that one should complete articleship in a good manner but, Do you consider that ke in sab chiz ke liye an article requires 3.5 yrs???

 


Shashi Bhushan (Learner, Jalandhar) (996 Points)
Replied 08 November 2009

hi Dhiraj! Calm down. eat some Curd! You are right. you need not to show anger to prove a right thing.

HAHAhaha!

 

I think Stipend should be totally finished. no stipend no problem. when we do MBA we get nothing rather we pay lacs. so if we do CA why should we expect income. experiance while articleship is very important. this can fetch a high future earning in case u dont clear CA. so dont expect anything now.

 

We should do Articleship for LEARNING purpose and not for EARNING PurposeTM

 

 

With the present stipend rate we can easily cover out instituition fee and Exam fee, what else should we expect.

 

now you all are saying to increase stipend. after a year or two when you will become CA you will like the rate to be unchanged.

:)

 



Karthik (C A Student) (219 Points)
Replied 08 November 2009

Hey Shashi dude !!! y do u speak like an illiterate villager ??? wtf is the problem if we are paid to do the work tht we do ? are u trying to induce some students from here to ur firm once u clear ur exams ??? hahaha

and just because u maybe getting a higher stipend u speak like this !!! now u go and eat some Probiotic curd !!!

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Karthik (C A Student) (219 Points)
Replied 08 November 2009

and Dhiraj, u are very confused with wat u wanna say !!! pls dont waste the space on this forum by just typing some english just for the sake of it !!!

ICAI is on of the most biased institues in India, because it is run by none other than the professionals who pass out of it, and they frame rules as per their requirements, changing the pattern of exams, selection procedures and all the rules associated with students as and when they want .

And people say that once u clear CA getting a well paying job is a piece of cake, but i know many people who have cleared their CA and have either got a job tht pays them less than Rs.3,50,000 p.a ad most of them are still hunting for a job.

All of them have diligently done their articleship by taking less stipend in hope tht once they clear, they will be paid a BOMB !!

and Dhiraj just find out urself how many fresh CAs are highly paid out of the total strenght of  the ones tht clear the exam !! or at least they have jobs or not ??


CA RADHIKA AGARWAL (CA) (300 Points)
Replied 08 November 2009

kartik u r rite........i rely think shashi s mad

 

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Shashi Bhushan (Learner, Jalandhar) (996 Points)
Replied 09 November 2009

rather than fighting on stipend you should discuss to make articleship better. its time waste to fight on stipend.

your valuable time should be passed in discussing the following topic.

just see the following very interesting and important topic. and try to do something in this regard if you want to do something.

 

/forum/message_display.asp?group_id=48866

 


CA Dhiraj Ramchandani (CA, M. com) (10823 Points)
Replied 09 November 2009

Originally posted by :Karthik
" and Dhiraj, u are very confused with wat u wanna say !!! pls dont waste the space on this forum by just typing some english just for the sake of it !!!
ICAI is on of the most biased institues in India, because it is run by none other than the professionals who pass out of it, and they frame rules as per their requirements, changing the pattern of exams, selection procedures and all the rules associated with students as and when they want .
And people say that once u clear CA getting a well paying job is a piece of cake, but i know many people who have cleared their CA and have either got a job tht pays them less than Rs.3,50,000 p.a ad most of them are still hunting for a job.
All of them have diligently done their articleship by taking less stipend in hope tht once they clear, they will be paid a BOMB !!
and Dhiraj just find out urself how many fresh CAs are highly paid out of the total strenght of  the ones tht clear the exam !! or at least they have jobs or not ??
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Karthik,, wtz ur problem buddy???

 

Nywz, first i never said that CAs get jobs easily (clarify this)...

Secondly, i have also not said that ICAI and all its MEMBERS (CAs) are DIFFERENT FROM EACH OTHER....

Thirdly, u said that people are getting less than 3.5 lacs p.a,, in one of my post i've reffered leass than 3 lacs...

Fourth, this is a forum and not a WAR BAR... Why do u take this personally all this??? I never reffered any member overhere is most incorrect, i just said that everyone has his own view...



CA Dhiraj Ramchandani (CA, M. com) (10823 Points)
Replied 09 November 2009

Moreover, u should feel lucky that u r the student of this global institute of this vast country, which is managing u all and its members very patiently and delgately...... U have no idea, what other private or even govt institutes are doing and how frustrated other students are.....

 

So, take this as postively, if at all u can... Othervise, its not a matter to fight....

 

And yes, from next time, if u point anything towards me, mind ur language.., especially " pls dont waste the space on this forum by just typing some english just for the sake of it"... None of us (except u) are discussing this all for passing the time..

Everyone has his/her own view and so are discussing.. Some people are in my favour or some against, so m i replying....

 

U also got personal with SHASHI.., but its betn u and him.. Better u mind fr me next time, othervise it won't be entertained next time, and trust me, when i say, i'm damn serious....

 

So, just post ur views, wanna oppose me, u can do so, but never ever say that i'm or anyone else here is wasting the time or something like that...


Bhavik Mistry (Student) (22 Points)
Replied 09 November 2009

very good keep it up

Karthik (C A Student) (219 Points)
Replied 10 November 2009

Originally posted by :D н ! я σ √
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Originally posted by :Karthik


"
and Dhiraj, u are very confused with wat u wanna say !!! pls dont waste the space on this forum by just typing some english just for the sake of it !!!
ICAI is on of the most biased institues in India, because it is run by none other than the professionals who pass out of it, and they frame rules as per their requirements, changing the pattern of exams, selection procedures and all the rules associated with students as and when they want .
And people say that once u clear CA getting a well paying job is a piece of cake, but i know many people who have cleared their CA and have either got a job tht pays them less than Rs.3,50,000 p.a ad most of them are still hunting for a job.
All of them have diligently done their articleship by taking less stipend in hope tht once they clear, they will be paid a BOMB !!
and Dhiraj just find out urself how many fresh CAs are highly paid out of the total strenght of  the ones tht clear the exam !! or at least they have jobs or not ??
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Karthik,, wtz ur problem buddy???
 
Nywz, first i never said that CAs get jobs easily (clarify this)...
Secondly, i have also not said that ICAI and all its MEMBERS (CAs) are DIFFERENT FROM EACH OTHER....
Thirdly, u said that people are getting less than 3.5 lacs p.a,, in one of my post i've reffered leass than 3 lacs...
Fourth, this is a forum and not a WAR BAR... Why do u take this personally all this??? I never reffered any member overhere is most incorrect, i just said that everyone has his own view...
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Hey Dhiraj,

If you like taking everything personal, i care the least !! because i have not quoted you in any of my references . they are all general in nature and bear no quotation from any of your previous posts( copyright them if you feel like)


Karthik (C A Student) (219 Points)
Replied 10 November 2009

Originally posted by :D н ! я σ √
" Moreover, u should feel lucky that u r the student of this global institute of this vast country, which is managing u all and its members very patiently and delgately...... U have no idea, what other private or even govt institutes are doing and how frustrated other students are.....
 
So, take this as postively, if at all u can... Othervise, its not a matter to fight....
 
And yes, from next time, if u point anything towards me, mind ur language.., especially " pls dont waste the space on this forum by just typing some english just for the sake of it"... None of us (except u) are discussing this all for passing the time..
Everyone has his/her own view and so are discussing.. Some people are in my favour or some against, so m i replying....
 
U also got personal with SHASHI.., but its betn u and him.. Better u mind fr me next time, othervise it won't be entertained next time, and trust me, when i say, i'm damn serious....
 
So, just post ur views, wanna oppose me, u can do so, but never ever say that i'm or anyone else here is wasting the time or something like that...
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and what is there to be so lucky to be a part of this institue ??? any1 with the qualifications required can become a part of it (there is no need of any lottery or lucky dip i suppose :p )

and so you do admit that the students of ICAI are frustrated with the system ?

and please dont give threats over here !! put it to better use. This is an open forum, and every1 has their freedom(with limitations i.e.) SO DONT JUST TRY TO IMPOSE YOURSELF ON OTHERS !!!(and lemme clarify tht there is absolutely nothing personal ) :)

 



Karthik (C A Student) (219 Points)
Replied 10 November 2009

Originally posted by :Shashi Bhushan
" rather than fighting on stipend you should discuss to make articleship better. its time waste to fight on stipend.
your valuable time should be passed in discussing the following topic.
just see the following very interesting and important topic. and try to do something in this regard if you want to do something.
 
/forum/message_display.asp?group_id=48866
 
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Shashi, Guess ur right ! this discussion is pointless, as none of us will be willing to do anything for the things as the way they are, and its really sad ! :( and i apologize for my previous comment, there was nothing personal there, i just didnt agree with you ! :)

ciao.



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