Expenditure over Income
Peter Rebello (5 Points)
03 October 2023
Why is the difference between expenditure over Income shown on the asset side of balance sheet.
Peter Rebello (5 Points)
03 October 2023
Yasaswi Gomes new
(Finance )
(4492 Points)
Replied 03 October 2023
You mean to say that expenses - income = asset. Not possible. Its gross profit or operating or net profit.
prasad Nilugal
( GST Practitioner & Accounts )
(14540 Points)
Replied 03 October 2023
RAJA P M
("Do the Right Thing...!!!")
(127921 Points)
Replied 03 October 2023
prasad Nilugal
( GST Practitioner & Accounts )
(14540 Points)
Replied 03 October 2023
As per schedule III of the Companies Act 2013 Debit balance of P&L ( loss) Shall be shown as a negative figure under head surplus, Similarly the balance of Reserve Surplus after adjusting negative balance of Surplus shall shown under head "Reserve & Surplus." .
Check out Companies Act 2013 applicable to you or not .
RAJA P M
("Do the Right Thing...!!!")
(127921 Points)
Replied 03 October 2023
Is there querist ask this as Company...??!
If Yes, please highlight the word or meaning of the word...!
sabyasachi mukherjee
(27107 Points)
Replied 03 October 2023
N. A
(JOB)
(45 Points)
Replied 03 October 2023
The income and expenditure account is prepared by the non-trading entities to determine surplus or deficit of income over expenditures for a particular time frame. The accumulated or accrual concept of accounting is rigidly pursued while preparing income and expenditure a/c of non-trading concerns. It is prepared as a portion of final accounts of non-trading entities and is equal to the profit and loss account outlined by for-profit business entities.
The surplus or deficit from the income and expenditure account is moved to the capital fund a/c
Hence it is whether it is surplus or deficit shall be adjusted to Capital A/c only.
As per Golden rules of accounting,
| Type of account | Golden rules |
|---|---|
| Real account | Debit what comes in Credit what goes out |
| Personal account | Debit the receiver Credit the giver |
| Nominal account | Debit the expenses or losses Credit the income or gain |
In the Balance sheet Real and Personal accounts only shown at the Debit ( Asset side) and Credit ( Liabilities side) & the Loss/Deficit being a Debit balance shall ultimately be carry forwarded to balance sheet Debit side (Asset side) and adjusted against the capital account being Credit balance until then being a Debit balance shown on the balance sheet Debit side (Asset side).. GENERALLY IT WILL BE AUTOMATICALLY ADJUSTED
RAJA P M
("Do the Right Thing...!!!")
(127921 Points)
Replied 03 October 2023
Yes, You are exactly correct and I agreed the above said golden rules and All.
But,
The query is
Why is the difference between expenditure over Income shown on the asset side of balance sheet.
Querist asked why it's shown asset side..
Since,
I am also asking to you all "Why it's shown in asset side...???
Is there any difference if it's company or other than company...??
Is may be shown any other side except Asstt/Liabilities...???
prasad Nilugal
( GST Practitioner & Accounts )
(14540 Points)
Replied 03 October 2023
C.A Sir
we know that income and Expenditure prepare for Non profit organisation and Profit and loss for Profit making company. , we know everything , however querist in his query not clearly mentioned .
I think his query is Loss or Deficit is an Asset side ? why ?.
prasad Nilugal
( GST Practitioner & Accounts )
(14540 Points)
Replied 03 October 2023
@ Raja P M Sir
Loss / Deficits is an asset side in balance sheet , because when company next year earn profit or in future they earn profit , all these Accumulated losses or deficit Can be use for deduction from current year profit and untimely , it will reduce the taxes therefore for future benefits current year loss or deficit is an asset .
For example Current year loss is 5 Lacs in balance sheet , will be carried forward to next F.Y , now in the next F.Y profit is 12 lacs , so last years loss of 5 lacs will be deducted from 12 lacs , ( 12 -5 = 7 lacs ) , therefore you have to pay tax on 7 lacs instead of 12 lacs , due to last year loss .
In short for future benefits it is an asset .
RAJA P M
("Do the Right Thing...!!!")
(127921 Points)
Replied 03 October 2023
| Originally posted by : prasad Nilugal | ||
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@ Raja P M Sir Loss / Deficits is an asset side in balance sheet , because when company next year earn profit or in future they earn profit , all these Accumulated losses or deficit Can be use for deduction from current year profit and untimely , it will reduce the taxes therefore for future benefits current year loss or deficit is an asset . For example Current year loss is 5 Lacs in balance sheet , will be carried forward to next F.Y , now in the next F.Y profit is 12 lacs , so last years loss of 5 lacs will be deducted from 12 lacs , ( 12 -5 = 7 lacs ) , therefore you have to pay tax on 7 lacs instead of 12 lacs , due to last year loss . In short for future benefits it is an asset . |
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Dear Mr Prasad Nilugal...
Yes, I know it very well...
Also I know the loss/dificit is asset side (also I know adjustments and any other accounting procedures)...
I ask a question to You as above...!
The query is
Why is the difference between expenditure over Income shown on the asset side of balance sheet. Querist asked why it's shown asset side..
Why You consider this as Company or Which based You think and reply it's for Company...???
I don't know any point of view it's company...
Query asked why its in asset side...
Please check once again the query...
N. A
(JOB)
(45 Points)
Replied 03 October 2023
Dear Prasad Nilugal
As you said earlier as shown below,
"As per schedule III of the Companies Act 2013 Debit balance of P&L ( loss) Shall be shown as a negative figure under head surplus, Similarly the balance of Reserve Surplus after adjusting negative balance of Surplus shall shown under head "Reserve & Surplus." . Check out Companies Act 2013 applicable to you or not " AND
To this contrary you only says "Loss / Deficits is an asset side in balance sheet , because when company next year earn profit or in future they earn profit .......... " which seems not relevant here, however you gave a very good explanation with a nice example.
ALL THIS AMBIGUITY COME TO END ONLY UNLESS THE QUERIST GIVE A CLEAR EXPLANATION ABOUT HIS QUESTION
PART I — BALANCE SHEET
I. EQUITY AND LIABILITIES
B. Reserves and Surplus
(i) Reserves and Surplus shall be classified as: (a) Capital Reserves;
(b) Capital Redemption Reserve;
(c) Securities Premium Reserve;
(d) Debenture Redemption Reserve;
(e) Revaluation Reserve;
(f) Share Options Outstanding Account;
(g) Other Reserves–(specify the nature and purpose of each reserve and the amount in respect thereof);
(h) Surplus i.e., balance in Statement of Profit and Loss disclosing allocations and appropriations such as dividend, bonus shares and transfer to/ from reserves, etc.; (Additions and deductions since last balance sheet to be shown under each of the specified heads);
(ii) A reserve specifically represented by earmarked investments shall be termed as a ―funds‖.
(iii) Debit balance of statement of profit and loss shall be shown as a negative figure under the head ―Surplus‖. Similarly, the balance of ―Reserves and Surplus‖, after adjusting negative balance of 264 surplus, if any, shall be shown under the head ―Reserves and Surplus‖ even if the resulting figure is in the negative.
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prasad Nilugal
( GST Practitioner & Accounts )
(14540 Points)
Replied 04 October 2023
Dear CA sir
Agree, Ambiguity come to an end only after clear explanation from quriest.
ACCOUNTANT
(Student)
(559 Points)
Replied 04 October 2023
| Originally posted by : RAJA P M | ||
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Yes, You are exactly correct and I agreed the above said golden rules and All. But, The query is Why is the difference between expenditure over Income shown on the asset side of balance sheet. Querist asked why it's shown asset side.. Since, I am also asking to you all "Why it's shown in asset side...??? Is there any difference if it's company or other than company...?? Is may be shown any other side except Asstt/Liabilities...??? |
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Sir As you gave an explanation from Schedule III of Companies Act, Deferred Expenses and Debit balance of P&L will be shown on asset side because to satisfy Matching Concept of Basic Concepts of Accounting,I.e., since all expenses are debited they are shown on Dr. side of Balance Sheet.
Expenditure over Income ultimately recognises Expenditure and which matches with third rule coming to debit side.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
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