hi friends please help me ..........
COMPANY HAS PAID BUS AND TAXI HIRE CHARGES TO A PARTY ?
TDS SHOULD BE DEDUCT UNDER WHICH SECTION 194C OR 194 I ....
PLEASE GIVE PROPER EXPLANATION WITH ALL CIRCULER REFRENCES.......?
GAURAV BANSAL (STUDENT) (83 Points)
28 March 2011hi friends please help me ..........
COMPANY HAS PAID BUS AND TAXI HIRE CHARGES TO A PARTY ?
TDS SHOULD BE DEDUCT UNDER WHICH SECTION 194C OR 194 I ....
PLEASE GIVE PROPER EXPLANATION WITH ALL CIRCULER REFRENCES.......?
Sravanthi
(CA Final ICWA Final & M.B.A)
(737 Points)
Replied 28 March 2011
According to Sec 194C it is not a contract. Sec 194I(Rent) is also not apllicable to this Situation. Subject to my knowledge TDS is not Deduct in this situation.
Regards
Sravanthi
Devendra
(Chartered Accountant)
(4775 Points)
Replied 28 March 2011
If there is a contract between you and the Taxi cab, then Tds to be deducted u/s 194C, but if it is hired then TDS to be deducted u/s 194I.
Regards,
Devendra
Priyanka
(study)
(259 Points)
Replied 28 March 2011
I think TDS should be deducted u/s 194C, if the amount of single contract exceeds Rs.30000/- or Rs. 75000/- in aggregate in one year @ 2% in case of other than indivisual HUF & 1% in case of indivisual & HUF
Have a look at the following :
Any person responsible for paying any sum to any resident contrctor for carrying out any work under a contract shall deduct income tax at the rates specified.
Meaning of Work {Clause (iv) of Explanation (iv) to section 194C(7)}
Work shall include -
1.Advertising
2.Catering
3.Carriage of goods or passengers by any mode of transport other than railways
Correct me if Im wrong please.
Madhusudan Kabra
(knowledge seeker)
(1779 Points)
Replied 28 March 2011
Section 194C also applies when a plane or bus or any other mode of transport is chartered .
And regarding applicability of 194I applies only when any payment made on account of lease, sub lease ,rent in respect of Land building, machinary, plant, furniture, equipments etc. hence from above it would not be good to consider vehicles as a plant & machinary or equipments etc.
Hence 194I is not applicable.
TDS is to be deducted under section 194C
Regards
Madhusudan Kabra
Madhusudan Kabra
(knowledge seeker)
(1779 Points)
Replied 28 March 2011
agreed with priyanka ....
not agreed with you devendra
Regards
Madhusudan
GAURAV BANSAL
(STUDENT)
(83 Points)
Replied 28 March 2011
hey priyanka thanks
but if u r saying that tds should be deduct u/S 194 c.....
then according to section 194I read with section 43(3) of income tax act ............. what would be your answer ..................
i think tds should b deduct u/s 194 I
AND THERE IS VERY BIG INTRICACY.
HEY FRIENDS REPLY ASAP
Madhusudan Kabra
(knowledge seeker)
(1779 Points)
Replied 28 March 2011
Dear gaurav ,
I suggest you to refer defination of rent given under section 194I
Defination given is as follows:
rent" means any payment, by whatever name called, under any lease, sub-lease, tenancy or any other agreement or arrangement for the use of any land or any building (including factory building), together with furniture, fittings and the land appurtenant thereto, whether or not such building is owned by the payee;
hope it is clear to you now.
Source :https://www.incometaxindia.gov.in/acts/income%20tax%20act/194-i.asp
Regards
Madhusudan
GAURAV BANSAL
(STUDENT)
(83 Points)
Replied 28 March 2011
@ Madhusadan
i am not talking about rent for land and building and appurtrenant therto .. i am asking for rent for plant & machinery
Madhusudan Kabra
(knowledge seeker)
(1779 Points)
Replied 28 March 2011
@ gaurav : as far as my knowledge is concern section 43(2) is concern with inclusion & exclusion of certain things in the term "plant" for the purpose of Business & profession. Here this explanation might be given for Classification of assets for Depriciation Purpose not for any other purpose.
I thik explanation given in 43(2)& (3) should not be considered as base for deducting TDS.
i will try to give you more clarification on above topic
Regards
Madhusudan
Ritesh Jain
(CA, CS in Job)
(675 Points)
Replied 29 March 2011
Dear all members,
It is a very interesting issue and you will find more than 50 posts on the similar issue in CCI only.
TAXI hiring or contract...???? 194C or 194I..????
This is most confusing situation one often face..even i faced it too.. after much search and headchurning discussion it got cleared to me...
i) Reading of text quoted in referred section i.e 194 I or 194 C is not a riding clause to decide the nature of TDS in this particular case.
ii) It is totally governed by the essence of contract..now question comes how??
YES.
If the contract terms stipulate that TAXIS are taken in such a way for a particular period and not case to case basis and any defect maintainence is borne by us.. the use of taxi FOR THAT period is exclusively for us.. the trems of payment are not on KM bais and the terms shows that for that period i have right to use the asset as per my will then it can be said as rental agreement OTHER THAN this one can say it as a contract and deduct TDS u/s 194c.
Generally it is seen that TDS is deducted u/s 194c only beacuse the terms of contract can easily be read as that it is a contract obligation instead a rental agreement.
Regards,
RJ
CA. Santosh Prajapati
(Practice)
(97 Points)
Replied 29 March 2011
Dear, Gaurav,
If u r hiring a bus for the business purpose and there is a agreement for that, than TDS should be deducted u/s 194I
If u r hiring a bus on occasional basis without any agreement, than in that case TDS should be deducted 194C
GAURAV BANSAL
(STUDENT)
(83 Points)
Replied 29 March 2011
@ santosh : can u give me any refrence or any circuler ,notification issued by cbdt ???????
Madhusudan Kabra
(knowledge seeker)
(1779 Points)
Replied 29 March 2011
i think santosh tumne ulta bol diya.......
if it is used for business purpose then TDS should be deducted u/s 194C
PRADEEP CHAND SHARMA
(Accounts Officer)
(141 Points)
Replied 29 March 2011
COMPANY HAS PAID BUS AND TAXI HIRE CHARGES TO A PARTY
1. TDS SHOULD BE DEDUCT UNDER SECTION 194C
If Contract Between Bus Owner & Client for Hire the BUs
2. TDS SHOULD BE DEDUCT UNDER SECTION 194I
If client hire on a monthly basis.
If I am Wrong Plz told me ASAP.