Satyam Scam - your take

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R.Veeraraghavan (CMA) (226 Points)
Replied 08 January 2009

Can we do away with audits ----world wide...an introspection..

 

If self-regulation is what is intended for better governance,i was thinking if the world can accept the concept as a whole-some remedy and allow governments the world-over to eradicate these agents(private-agents)Public accountants.
I am deeply pained by the way frauds are committed across the bio-sphere and the complicity of accountants in such crime.
The fraud at satyam is basic and fundamental error of certifying fictitious cash balance.
This is only a tip of an ice-berg revelation and has come on its own from the promoter than as a compliant by any vigilante-interest.
, if corporates are strengthened internally and de-mutualised properly from ownership-management issues then definitely we dont need a middle-men be it a public accountant indulging in statutory or other audits including tax-audits.

 

 


Prakash Popat (3134 Points)
Replied 08 January 2009

Beware Indian Visionary/Regulators,SATYAM ploy is to Spoil market sentiments as a whole and thereby Depriciating Rupees further,They should be responded absolutely reverse manners than they expect.


raghuraj (CA-Final-Asst.Manager Accounts)   (30 Points)
Replied 08 January 2009

Its too early to give any conclusion. Matter to be investigated deeply.If auditors are found guilty then the partners who has attested the finacial statements that persons alone shold be punished instead of banning the whole firm.


ACMA-ICAI (DGM-Global Voice Business)   (1052 Points)
Replied 08 January 2009

From: Economictimes Mumbai Edition


Rajesh Kumar (Student) (211 Points)
Replied 08 January 2009

Originally posted by :Aisha
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Satyam R.Raju Resignation letter copy



Let us discuss its reasons / implication / what we have learnt from this episode / CAs role here!!!



Attached File : 37_satyam_computer_services_ltd_070109.pdf
"


 

 

The story Ramalinga Raju of Satyam Computers has narrated in his letter has too many loose ends and is too incredible to believe. Most of us are too shocked to react in any coherent manner. But, the story given by Ramalinga Raju in his letter to the board of directors of Satyam Computers is absolutely impossible for just he and his brother to carry out. There are far too many loose ends.

As of 30 September 2008, Satyam's stated cash and bank balances were Rs5,361 crore. Of this, Raju's letter says only Rs321 crore is real and Rs5,040 crore is fictitious. Almost the entire amount was reported to be held in deposits with banks. This amount was steadily built up over the last many years. One of the first items auditors check is asset confirmations, and for bank deposits they have to be original certificates from the banks. Given the large amounts involved, it is likely that the entire amount would have been split among many banks. That means the auditors were given forged balance confirmations from multiple banks all these years. There is no way the chairman or managing director of Satyam was directly giving these confirmations to the auditors. At least a few in the finance department of the company clearly knew about this all along.

Raju says in his letter that Rs376 crore of accrued interest is 'non-existent'. This amount was accrued over the last many quarters. For those not familiar with accounting jargon, a company 'accrues' an income when it is due but has not yet been realised in cash. If all the money was parked in bank deposits, which normally pay interest periodically, this means the bank defaulted in interest payments. And Satyam's auditors believed that story!

Satyam had reported Rs2,854 crore as unsecured debtors and Raju's letter says only Rs490 crore is real. Again, for such a large amount, the company would have shown many debtors and confirmations would have been submitted to the auditors for each one of them. Any auditor would go through the ledger account of at least some of the unsecured debtors to see if there are transactions happening. It is difficult to fudge a large number of accounts for a long time as each transaction must have a corresponding entry in the bank account. If the ledger accounts and bank statements were actually fudged, many more people must be involved, including some bankers.

There is only another way this can happen and that is the auditor didn't bother to check anything. That is hard to believe. The statutory audit team for a company the size of Satyam will have at least a dozen or more members, besides the audit firm partner who signs the audit report, and every year the team will change even if the partner remains the same. Assuming that this has been going on for many years, this implies that at least 50 trained employees of the audit firm were duped into believing this fiction. That is beyond incredible.

Satyam had a full-fledged internal audit team, presumably including many accounting professionals. This team must have been going through the books in much more detail than the statutory auditors and submitting regular reports to the audit committee of Satyam's board of directors. The audit committee had only external, so called independent directors and Raju or his brother Ramu were not members. How come not even one of these capable professionals, either in the internal audit team or in the audit committee, didn't detect anything amiss for many years? 

These days every business manager analyses threadbare the profitability of each project or contract he or she manages. If Satyam's margins were so low or non-existent, unlike those of its competitors, it would have been apparent in the profitability analysis done by individual profit centres or managers. If it was so low, it would have come up at least in some of the project profitability sheets. If that is the case, why didn't any of the senior managers suspect the healthy margins reported by Satyam, quarter after quarter?

As mentioned earlier, almost the entire cash surplus of over Rs5,000 crore was parked in low-yielding bank deposits. No investments in the stock market or mutual funds or bonds. These days, even companies with Rs100 crore of surplus cash will set up treasury departments to manage the money and seek better returns. Why didn't any director, manager or auditor question this practice?

Raju says he brought in Rs1,230 crore as cash over the last 2 years to 'keep the operations going'. If true, this clearly means the company was facing a severe cash shortage over this period when it was reporting healthy profits. Surprising that none in Satyam's finance department took notice! There is also the small matter of how Raju brought in such a large amount of money, without even a single soul other than his brother knowing it.

This story is too incredible to believe. There are two possibilities:

  1. This is a much bigger fraud, involving a large number of people.
  2. The profits were not fictitious and the cash was real, at least until a few months back. Somehow the cash disappeared or was lost and this incredible story is a cover up.


Sulay Shah (Article Assistant) (54 Points)
Replied 08 January 2009

There is still lots to go..because SEBI and ICAI are going to look into this matter very strictly..

All the very best to all the other companies who get their Audit done by PWC because they are also going to come under Scrutiny


Kruti (C.A. Final Student) (195 Points)
Replied 08 January 2009

Previously Big 5, now Big 4, henceforth Big 3.


aditya (articled stuent) (26 Points)
Replied 08 January 2009

by above comments i am here to give my opinion on ramalinga raju as below.

no one knows about ramalingaraju who stated about him in their comments .but one thing is true that he has done a mistake  thtas right i am not supporting that ,but think a while about his professional behaviour as he got 3times award from govt. now with a scam his total professional eppreciation is said to thrown in vitch .i request all the people who is typing comment before know about him and type.

sorry if i hurt any one


Darshit (CA Final) (964 Points)
Replied 08 January 2009

Hello Freinds

As the Satyam puts a bad mark on the Indian Government we need ICAI to set up various standards for the disclosure and they need to implement more strict measures so that the members of the INSTITUTE do comply with it effectively and the disclosures are good

DO U KNOW SATYAM IS THE FIRST INDIAN COMPANY THAT HAS IMPLEMENTED IFRS.

 


CA ABHISEK KUMAR SINGHANIA (SERVICE) (276 Points)
Replied 08 January 2009

14000 of 53000 employees of Satyam were placing there cv somewhere else.

I just want to know onething that seeing such scams no one will feel secured about their job.

And what about those recruits who were waiting for their offer letters.

This is a matter of concern.....a big concern

Thanks



CA CS CIMA Prakash Somani (Landmark Group) (23502 Points)
Replied 08 January 2009

To add to this, one should not forget how he tried to justify the Maytas acquisition and tried to convince the people that the deal was good for the company in terms of diversification. How the hell on this world can someone take this comment that a IT company diversifying in Real Estate.


CA CS CIMA Prakash Somani (Landmark Group) (23502 Points)
Replied 08 January 2009

Because of all this scam,the fresher's who will be passing out this year or upcoming years has created problem for jobs,satyam scam will leads to cut more 10k jobs this year. its very bad for the it industry as well as for the Chartered Accountants etc.


guru prasad (chartered Accountant) (27 Points)
Replied 08 January 2009

 Hi, This is a wrong message to the entire fraternity of CA.  The act of satyam balance sheet is a disgrace.  I have made an official protest to all the council members. 

Even if PWC is not guilty, it would take a long time to tarnish this image to the profession.


Attached File : 48 plea to icai for pwc-satyam.pdf downloaded: 234 times

CA CS CIMA Prakash Somani (Landmark Group) (23502 Points)
Replied 08 January 2009

It is hard to guess how many companies like Satyam are still out there. Fudging accounts is a widely prevalent practice across the world, but could be more in promoter controlled companies, most such companies have taken a beating in yesterday's rally in the stock market.

 But, soon satyam story will be forgotten and it will be business as usual. Till recently India's regulatory environment was credited for minimizing the fallout of the global financial crisis.

Now suddenly fingers are raised about it. As always, most economic theorizing happens in retrospect.



Prakash Popat (3134 Points)
Replied 08 January 2009

When Impact of Real terrorisms Finish life,Financial terrorism make one handicapped.



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