Imthias ahamed Kormath
(910 Points)
Replied 26 June 2021
Pankaj Rawat
(GST Practitioner)
(55052 Points)
Replied 27 June 2021
veerendar singh
(tax consultant)
(3301 Points)
Replied 27 June 2021
CA Altamush Zafar
(GST Consultant)
(15971 Points)
Replied 27 June 2021
veerendar singh
(tax consultant)
(3301 Points)
Replied 27 June 2021
CA Altamush Zafar
(GST Consultant)
(15971 Points)
Replied 27 June 2021
As per section 10 POS will be location of goods at the time at which movement of goods terminates for DELIVERY to the recipient. It is not just movement of goods to the address of recipient or location of recipient it is the movement of goods terminating for delivery. You need to see when delivery is taking place.
Veerendar, I believe you are a CA student. You must have studied Sales of Goods Act in your foundation. Check the definition of delivery there.
You all must understand that GST is only a taxation law. It taxes transactions happening in business. There are many laws which are business laws which determines how business are to be conducted legally. Only when you understand these laws you will be able apply GST correctly since GST depends on the transactions but nature of such transactions depends on these business laws.
Merely reading GST is not enough if you want to expertise in it. Without reading other laws and using interpretation principles one's knowledge of GST will remain sub-standard.
veerendar singh
(tax consultant)
(3301 Points)
Replied 27 June 2021
CA Altamush Zafar
(GST Consultant)
(15971 Points)
Replied 27 June 2021
No taxation laws does not determine the ways of business.
Delivery will always be to the recipient but delivery terminates when possession transferred.
Transportation upto the place of recipient is no where required. its always transportation till delivery terminates..
Where does delivery terminates. In our case Delhi. Thereafter it is in the possession of the recipient. He can take it anywhere from there.
And yet I know you have still not read the definition of Delivery.
And I believe you are singling out the statutes. I read both the business laws and taxation laws together.
If you are reading for sale of goods you will read contract act, sales of goods act and GST law.
If you are reading for sale of flats (immovable property) you will read transfer of property act, RERA, contract act and GST.
So you need to identify which laws you need to study to determine the correct tax position.
If we follow your opinion for reading statutes you will obviously throw the judgement of Mohit Minerals in the trash can since according to you taxation law constructs jurisdiction independently and many times overpassing other common law.
First read the laws, understand the legal structure and then opine on it.
CMA Poornima Madhava
(CMA)
(13112 Points)
Replied 27 June 2021
Actually I don't know where this is going to end. But before that let me express my view.
All these years, I have been thinking that POS in case of ex-factory sale is the place of the factory of the supplier. But after going thru the above discussions, I thought of delving deep into the provisions of the statute once again and here is what I have got to express:
The excerpt from section 10(1) of IGST Act:
(1) The place of supply of goods, other than supply of goods imported into, or exported from India, shall be as under,––
(a) where the supply involves movement of goods, whether by the supplier or the recipient or by any other person, the place of supply of such goods shall be the location of the goods at the time at which the movement of goods terminates for delivery to the recipient;
On school of thought agrees on location of factory being the POS and other school of thought advocates location of the recipient where the goods finally reach.
Advance ruling of M/s Penna Cement Industries Limited:
In respect of ex- factory sale, though for them supply terminates at factory gate, yet further movement is carried by the recipient or transporter (other person) of goods up to the billing address state. Thus, the delivery in such cases terminates in another State and therefore they should charge IGST in respect of such supplies.”
For more, read: https://bit.ly/3jjSKza
I don't want to comment on who is right or wrong. But I found the following thoughts logical:
Since the movement actually terminates at the location of the recipient where the goods are destined to, the place of supply should be the state where the goods are taken up by the recipient for consumption.
Also, I had to go thru the illustration in FAQ dated 15/12/2018 from CBIC to understand better (but this is about a registered buyer)
Q 6. What would be the place of supply wherein the supplier hands over the goods to recipient in his state and further movement is caused by the recipient?
Ans. The movement can be caused by supplier, recipient or any other person. Where the supply involves movement of goods, the place of supply shall be the location where the movement of goods terminates for delivery to the recipient.
Illustration: A person from Gujarat comes to Mumbai and purchases goods. He declared his Gujarat GSTIN, arranges transport himself and takes goods to Gujarat. The place of supply would be Gujarat in this case.
https://www.cbic.gov.in/htdocs-cbec/gst/Final-GST-FAQ-31218.pdf
Please share your views.
CA Altamush Zafar
(GST Consultant)
(15971 Points)
Replied 27 June 2021
CMA Poornima Madhava
(CMA)
(13112 Points)
Replied 27 June 2021
Section 10(1) is not about POS in case of imports/exports. So your question is not related I think.
Well! I'm aware about applicability of rulings from AAR and also about FAQ. Thanks for reminding me.
How about this judicial ruling: Lalitha Muraleedharan Vs. Range Forest Officer?
CA Altamush Zafar
(GST Consultant)
(15971 Points)
Replied 27 June 2021
CMA Poornima Madhava
(CMA)
(13112 Points)
Replied 27 June 2021
It is weird to assume POS to be outside India!!! Because section 10(1) is not at all about export. Also, in the query, the location of the recipient is clearly known as Maharashtra (not somewhere outside India).
Also, I'm curious to know how someone would interpret the above judicial ruling from Kerala High Court in this regard (I know it applies only to Kerala, anything else?)
veerendar singh
(tax consultant)
(3301 Points)
Replied 27 June 2021