pe-II vs. pcc

RAHUL (Self Employed) (129 Points)
Replied 04 September 2008

What do you think of yourself? do you think that you are the only person struggling in this world? Your message is really a nonsense. who said to you that PCC was made easier? infact, it is tougher than PE II.

Dont forget that while a candidate is in PEII he has a minimum of one and half year in his hand. but whereas for a PCC student he has to go to Articleship Training for minimum 15 months to qualify for appearing in PCC. during that 15 months it is very difficult to find time to study. very few firms only give 3 months study holiday for PCC exams and most of the firms only give one month study holiday. do you know that? even 2 of my friends who are going to write this november 2008 PCC Exam are still working in their office.

another point is that office timing is not from 10 a.m to 5p.m. it will even be till 12pm depending on the volume of the work. even he/she has to work in sundays. dont think i am exaggreting this, but i am telling this out of my experience. i have my PCC exam this november. I knew how much struggle i have undergone in the last 15 months.

One more thing my friend, you said PCC subjects have become relaxed. for your kind attention it is been made trickier. for eg:-

1. Advanced Accountancy- The questions asked in the exams had become much more standard.

2. Auditing & Assurance-in PEII there is no AAS, whereas in PCC we have auditing & assurance standard for 38marks.

3. Law, ethics & communication- Though by segreation it looks easy, but even here it is trickier.

4. Costing & Financial management- only ABC costing is deleted but instead of that we have Standard costing & Marginal Costing.

5. Income tax, VAT, & Service Tax- You said that taxation has made easier. remember my friend, in PEII you had CST where it is easier to score full marks(this point was said to me by many of PEII friends) but in PCC you have VAT & Service Tax. The questions they ask in Service tax is really tricky, because you have to remember many clauses.

6. Information Technology & Strategic Management- In PEII you had 100 marks for information technology but in PCC you have 50 marks for Strategic Management. it you go through the institute study material for Strategic Management then you will come to know how vague it is. it is difficult to memorise.

Finally, you said that you are against keeping the exam on alternate days. but you should remember that in that one day time one can only revise and relax nothing more he/she could do.

Last but not least, for your kind attention i am a student who did 6 months of PE1 and then shifted to CPT. only intial few exams of CPT were easier. even nowadays CPT exam was also made tougher than earlier.

RAHUL (Self Employed) (129 Points)
Replied 04 September 2008

"Struggle, suffering challenges, testing period, tough times-infact all these are vocubulary of a man who is seeing only the lower being pushed without recognising how the higher delights in the process. You are saying the caterpillar is being pushed. I am saying the butterfly is being born. Every time man is pushed and god delights.... for, it is through this push,man is created".

lohit (CA final) (132 Points)
Replied 04 September 2008

relax brother.....its ok that is ur opinion

but what i was saying u was the foundation students had the business communication and organisation and management in their pe 1. when it comes to aas who said tht there is no aas for pe 2 students just go thru the november 2007 auditing paper u will come to know.and what about income tax appeals, ravision,references,assesment procedure,appelates ,tribunals. such theory chapters which were very dry nd difficult have been deleted for pcc .and about information technology ask any of ur pe 2 students how many chapters were there in pe2 for info tech and how many chapters u have.and coming to strategic management if u think tht it is vague...i dont understand why.and accounting standards as said before there isthing as vague as this i think every 1 will agree with this.and if u think strategic mngt is vague then what bout standards.

so dear frend am not here to say tht pe 2 students have only struggled .struggle is there in every aspect we undertake.but u go through the foundation syllabus and go through the cpt syllabus.assess the difference. and analyse the change you find . dont you think the standard has been decreased.

and if u think that 1 day to revise and relax that is more than enough.if u can revise that one day ur always having a better chance than wht students had before.

and this is a discussion forum and not an argument forum .u can give ur inputs itz always welcome but language should be acceptable.and coming to the articleship i totally agree that pcc students have a difficult time maintaining things.

manjunath (ca studnt) (0 Points)
Replied 04 September 2008

Originally posted by :lohit
"	relax brother.....its ok that is ur opinion but what i was saying u was the foundation students had the business communication and organisation and management in their pe 1. when it comes to aas who said tht there is no aas for pe 2 students just go thru the november 2007 auditing paper u will come to know.and what about income tax appeals, ravision,references,assesment procedure,appelates ,tribunals. such theory chapters which were very dry nd difficult have been deleted for pcc .and about information technology ask any of ur pe 2 students how many chapters were there in pe2 for info tech and how many chapters u have.and coming to strategic management if u think tht it is vague...i dont understand why.and accounting standards as said before there isthing as vague as this i think every 1 will agree with this.and if u think strategic mngt is vague then what bout standards. so dear frend am not here to say tht pe 2 students have only struggled .struggle is there in every aspect we undertake.but u go through the foundation syllabus and go through the cpt syllabus.assess the difference. and analyse the change you find . dont you think the standard has been decreased. and if u think that 1 day to revise and relax that is more than enough.if u can revise that one day ur always having a better chance than wht students had before. and this is a discussion forum and not an argument forum .u can give ur inputs itz always welcome but language should be acceptable.and coming to the articleship i totally agree that pcc students have a difficult time maintaining things.	"

Guys I'll share my opinion with you - The accepted fact is that ICAI will always maintain high standards.. I Agree that CPT is practically a joke for well prepared students, but By Passing CPT you dont become a CA Do You? The Fact is that a syllabus change will also bring about a change in the level of questions asked in the exam.. So if the Syllabus is made easier then the questions asked will be tougher and Vice-Versa..Ultimately those who deserve to Become CA's will Pass, and the others wont...no matter whether there are ten days in between papers or one day.

qarni (student) (1220 Points)
Replied 04 September 2008

its ok

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lohit (CA final) (132 Points)
Replied 04 September 2008

Originally posted by :Guest
"	Originally posted by :lohit " relax brother.....its ok that is ur opinion but what i was saying u was the foundation students had the business communication and organisation and management in their pe 1. when it comes to aas who said tht there is no aas for pe 2 students just go thru the november 2007 auditing paper u will come to know.and what about income tax appeals, ravision,references,assesment procedure,appelates ,tribunals. such theory chapters which were very dry nd difficult have been deleted for pcc .and about information technology ask any of ur pe 2 students how many chapters were there in pe2 for info tech and how many chapters u have.and coming to strategic management if u think tht it is vague...i dont understand why.and accounting standards as said before there isthing as vague as this i think every 1 will agree with this.and if u think strategic mngt is vague then what bout standards. so dear frend am not here to say tht pe 2 students have only struggled .struggle is there in every aspect we undertake.but u go through the foundation syllabus and go through the cpt syllabus.assess the difference. and analyse the change you find . dont you think the standard has been decreased. and if u think that 1 day to revise and relax that is more than enough.if u can revise that one day ur always having a better chance than wht students had before. and this is a discussion forum and not an argument forum .u can give ur inputs itz always welcome but language should be acceptable.and coming to the articleship i totally agree that pcc students have a difficult time maintaining things. " Guys I'll share my opinion with you - The accepted fact is that ICAI will always maintain high standards.. I Agree that CPT is practically a joke for well prepared students, but By Passing CPT you dont become a CA Do You? The Fact is that a syllabus change will also bring about a change in the level of questions asked in the exam.. So if the Syllabus is made easier then the questions asked will be tougher and Vice-Versa..Ultimately those who deserve to Become CA's will Pass, and the others wont...no matter whether there are ten days in between papers or one day.	"

If it is done so will definetly agree with mr. hegde. anyways thanx for every one for giving your valuable feedback on this matter.but over everything else i have no question of doubting integrity of any student this is just a discussion platform and i wanted to share my feeling with every1.

faiz (article assistant) (31 Points)
Replied 04 September 2008

sirji.. the point which u raised regarding AS.. Now everyone knows ki AS are going to be a thing of the past as now we are shifting to IFRS.. So, even if v dnt study AS in PCC in that much depth then also PE-II students cant tel that v r less in our knowledge as v believe in updated knowledge not the obsolete knowledge..

RAHUL (Self Employed) (129 Points)
Replied 04 September 2008

my dear lohit, sorry if my words have hurt you. but one thing you should not forget is that PCC students are those who write their exams after 15months of Articleship training so naturally the pass percentage in PCC will come down in the intial years. so i think that may be the reason why they have given one day leave between the exam. as this november 2008 exam is the first exam for students who are writing it after CPT.

Anyway thanks for all who shared their thoughts on this.

Jeet Biswas (ACMA (in Service)) (5073 Points)
Replied 04 September 2008

pls guys, its not a productive or relevant discussion. Old things always become outdated & make way for new things. upgradation is necessary for improvement. ICAI is not a one-man body. several brains r working on the betterment of our course. the PE2 u r glorifying, is also ICAI's baby & so is PCC. we dont need to worry abt ICAI's standards coz they will only improve with time. and holidays in between or not, in any case, only sincerity pays.

so dont crib. and contribute towards the Instt's glory aftr becoming a member, upon qualifyin Final. that will be a better thing to do than to complain.

lohit (CA final) (132 Points)
Replied 04 September 2008

hey what all i spoke was not to hurt anyone or nything in such manner ...thank you so much for all your response . one thing we must always remember is that we are all the products of the premier financial body in india.and we are all at the same time proud to be a member of such a privilaged institute.again thaking you one and all for all your feedback.

and i wish every student all the very best for the students taking on in november 2008.DARE TO DREAM AND CARE TO ACHIEVE.THANKQ.