Memorandum to president of icai

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CA SURENDRA KUMAR RAKHECHA (Practising CA at Surat) (26263 Points)
Replied 20 June 2013

Since every CA student is "eligible" to be a future chartered accountant

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in the memorandum to the President;

various issues have been raised for the betterment of CA education

hence I think even IPCC students are eligible to participate in the discussion.

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Until job is available to a fresh CA; there is hardly a difference between a student who has appeared well in the CA Final exams and a fresh CA. 

 

A CA final student (after completion of training) having job is much better than a fresh CA who has no job in his hands. enlightened

 

This is the present scenario. blush

 

 

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CA SURENDRA KUMAR RAKHECHA (Practising CA at Surat) (26263 Points)
Replied 20 June 2013

Flash : Value of Indian CA is still well recognized in Foreign Countries.

(as per president)

 


Karan Teli (Life Is just an Illusion...!!)   (4573 Points)
Replied 20 June 2013

Thats a good news sir and ye flaash news kaha pe se mil rahe he aapko?

stipends rates were to be increased long back but then the proposals weren`t accepted. Atleast now, they are increased.

 

And as per records, China needs 10 laks CA`s and Aussies need about another 4.5 laks of CA so thats also a gud news...

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CA SURENDRA KUMAR RAKHECHA (Practising CA at Surat) (26263 Points)
Replied 21 June 2013

Right now I am discussing with CA Deep Jain about yesterday meeting's outcome at Faridabad with President.

He has conveyed me.

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Sathish M (Management Accountant) (40581 Points)
Replied 21 June 2013

This is a good initiative by CA. DEEP KUMAR JAIN, by presenting the Memorandum to the President of the Institute to take cognizance of the issues facing the profession.  We need to first thank him to voice the concern on behalf of all the stakeholders.

 

Well, we all must also thank Surendra sir, for posting the memorandum submitted to the president over here.

 

I hope the honorable president will surely consider some of the valuable suggestions highlighted in the memorandum and will take necessary steps by addressing them in the appropriate forum, to safeguard the interest of the entire profession. The need of the hour is to set right some of the anomalies existing in the system and carve out a framework that reposes faith not only among professionals but also with Government, Industry bodies, corporates and public at large.

 

The rampant foray of coaching academies that are springing up in every nook and corner of the country with assured predictability of CA certificate is sadly alarming. The fees charged are exorbitantly monstrous and defies logic, their only module is to mint money at the behest of denting the pockets of the students/parents.

 

In order to revive the glory of the profession, my suggestion to the Honorable President through this forum is:

“Sir, kindly engage with the ideas/ suggestions/ concerns provided by academicians, members, students, industry body representatives etc, to bring out the change which can propel our profession to the highest pedestal. The feedbacks from the stakeholders can be construed in the form of brainstorming sessions and will surely bring out a more desired model which is visionary and superior in the interest of everyone”.


 



CA SURENDRA KUMAR RAKHECHA (Practising CA at Surat) (26263 Points)
Replied 21 June 2013

Originally posted by : I.S.P.K

I read one proverb which reads,

Empty vessels makes more noise.

Similarly who are not even CA makes big  big comments in this thread.!

Only Gods knows whether he will ever become CA or remain semi qualified.!

@ I.S.P.K :

 

I.S.P.K CA [ Scorecard : 116]

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I.S.P.K CA [ Scorecard : 116]

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I.S.P.K CA [ Scorecard : 116]

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[ Scoredcard 116 ]

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Do you know that despite being semi-qualified; Mr. Karan Teli is teaching CA students?

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He was facing difficulties in Direct Taxes and I advised him to teach the subject to IPCC students. Hence he approached to one "coaching employer" ( why I say him employer; please read the following para)

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After starting the coaching he shared his experience with me as under :

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Sir, I can't believe that I can teach Direct Taxes to the CA students ! .....but my "coaching employer" told me not to go too fast otherwise students will not pay  fully and take the subject very easy.

( I advised him to give full overview of the subject to the students in 6 lectures so that they will grasp it easily ).

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I further advised him to do what your "employer" say otherwise your "earning" would be in danger which is right now serving the unique purpose.....earning with learning...

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Just compare your scorecard at this site with Karan Teli. His scorecard is 29 times higher than yours. Before he used to interact with me; he was just a normal CA student. But now he is earning during his studies.  Please have a look over his cover photo as an evidence.

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Hence he is better than unemployed CAs.

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PS : Nani Palkhiwala did the same job until he could establish his practice. Hope you know who was Nani Palkhiwala.

( Now analyze what I want to say about Karan Teli ).

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Rajashekar Reddy (M.Com; CA Final) (93 Points)
Replied 22 June 2013

Very good Sharing Sir..

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CA.Leela Kumar (Deputy Manager) (129 Points)
Replied 22 June 2013

If ICAI revamps the CA course in the above way, it will continue as a best profession. The ship is sinking now atleast repair is to be done immediately.


CA SURENDRA KUMAR RAKHECHA (Practising CA at Surat) (26263 Points)
Replied 23 June 2013

REFERENCE  : MEMORANDUM ON ISSUES CHALLENGING THE PROBLEMS WITH SOLUTIONS THERE OF, SENT TO PRESIDENT ICAI ON 17TH JUNE, 2013

https://www.casansaar.com/news-detail/Memorandum-to-the-President-of-ICAI-on-some-of-the-issues-challenging-the-Profession/4319.html

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REVIEW OF THE OUTCOME OF THE VISIT OF PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT AT FARIDABAD BRANCH ON 19TH JUNE, 2013.

As informed earlier to the members; a Felicitation function was organized by the Faridabad Branch on 19-6-2013 with 2 free CPE hours with “free dinner.”

Despite these free offers, Branch could not attract members to “enjoy” free food with free CPE hours. A conference hall with a capacity of 150, could hardly “retain” 40 members (apart from Branch/NIRC office bearers) till the conclusion of speech of our leaders ,whereas the total strength of members is more than 1600 and students are 10000 plus at Faridabad. This “poor presence” is alarming to the occupants of higher position of power to rethink before they go to other branches.  In clear words; members are no more interested ,rather ready to bear such “chaplusi”, flattering/buttering type of programs where the Branch/Regional Council office bearers and the people sitting on the top of the power, praises each other, the actual result of which is, NIL, towards service to the profession. Some one has rightly said ”Self praise is no recommendation”.

It also shows the “home work” of the branch office bearers and their “vision” while conducting such programs. A clear message is: A qualified member is not interested in such functions until professional issues are resolved.

During that visit of the President and VP; members and students wanted an open discussion on various issues with them, but we are sorry to say, both our President, VP, NIRC Chairman, three CC members, and 5 NIRC members, remained silent, when despite admission of the Branch, to give us a chance of interaction with the President and to submit the memorandum, Branch did not call us. Perhaps the occupants at higher position of power,do not have courage or do not want to face the members and the students. Then the simplest question is: For whose sake they organize such programs?

If our President and VP have to make one way communication; then where is the need  to call them at branches/Regional Councils Their monthly message in the ICAI journal is more than sufficient.

Our group request our worthy President and VP to think with vision: What is important for them……. few garlands, bouquets, few “forced” claps of organizers or to know the ground realities of the profession for which they are committed to the Institute and its members.

We hereby wish to convey them that many members are ready to support them if they are “really interested” in giving “due credit” to their contribution not only in words but in writing as well. This will bring enthusiasm in the members to do good things for the profession.   Whenever any suggestions have been sent by common member so far in the history of more than 60 years; it has not been “duly” acknowledged by the Council and whenever fruits have reaped due to actions based on such suggestions; full credit has been taken by them.  The names of committee members are printed beautifully every time even if their “actual” contribution is not remarkable.  If they simply visit some branches; wonderful photographs are printed in the newsletter without publishing the details what so wonderful “happened” during their visit. Despite all these facts, our group is not so “interested” in fake name and fame.  Instead our group members are interested in get work done based on members suggestion even if credit be taken by the top members.

One interesting thing was noticed:

It was a great surprise for us, when without any introduction, our President and VP; recognized us by name; may be due to efforts of our group. They may also be aware of names of other group members. After having an interaction, we realized that indeed both our President and VP are thorough gentlemen and down to earth persons. 

 

 

VICE-PRESIDENT ADDRESS:

Our Vice President CA K Raghu is a technocrat. Accordingly in his address;, he shared many IT initiatives undertaken by ICAI, which includes e-learning, web-cast of CPE programs, connecting all the branches through CC TV cameras to have control on the branches and many more.  He also shared statistics of number of members, number of students, status of ICAI as second largest accounting body and pointed out that out of 2.30 lacs CA’s, half are in the age group of 35 years. No doubt this statistics give us the reason to feel proud. We congratulate our VP for such initiatives.

On the front of professional opportunities he stressed on specialization and networking of the firms. He also made members aware of 13 Post Graduation CA courses in different stream. He also said there is no shortage of job in India but members prefer overseas job only.

(We do not agree with this statement of VP. Further he could not “convince” how post graduation CA courses will help in creating professional opportunities).

Introduction of technology is a welcome step in the current scenario and it is the need of the hour. We congratulate our VP for such initiatives with a rider, please arrange seminars in the branches to make the members aware about these facilities, some of the members may be aware about these but do not know how to utilize the same. Even we tried to view a CPE program on service tax on construction industry on 20-06-2013, but could not see the same, due to technical reasons.

Being VP, this is the year for him, to familiarize himself with the major challenges before the profession: 1. Increasing unemployment and 2. Lack of professional opportunities for common members. ICAI has to pursue the policy framers/regulators - why for a particular work there is a need of a Chartered Accountant. 

It seems, he has not gone through the contents of the memorandum sent by us, may be due to paucity of time. We request our VP to kindly have a look at the memorandum. However; he appreciated the “exercise” of the group: CAUSE OF CA. Our group extend  heartily thanks to our VP for acknowledging the efforts of our group. We assure our worthy VP, if at any point of time, our suggestions are required, we are ready for the same.

 

PRESIDENT ADDRESS:

Our worthy President started his speech addressing members of the branch and soon after that; acknowledged our group’s efforts in preparing the Memorandum. This acknowledgment by our worthy President is a slap on the face, of those, who says our group is spreading negativity.

Then he quoted a famous Danish proverb:

The gem cannot be polished without friction nor man be perfect without trials.”

For the next one hour or so, our worthy President discussed many issues raised in the memorandum. We are thankful to our worthy President, to come with full preparation.

Here we would like to mention that we got a lot of help and guidance in drafting this memorandum from another group member CA. Surendra Rakhecha from Surat. We would also like to acknowledge efforts of all other group members, across the country for giving valuable inputs and suggestions, for this memorandum.

Our President acknowledged there are some problems on employment front for which falling GDP and increasing fiscal deficit are the main reasons. We agree with our President to a certain extent. But he was having no answer on the ICAI initiatives “how to maintain the demand and supply gap to tackle this situation”. Several suggestions were given in the memorandum including, (a) making entry tough to CPT, like IIT and CAT (b) suspension of giving grace marks till the economy improves (iii) reforms in examination system etc.

As per current scenario of falling GDP and increasing fiscal deficit; cost reduction is required at every front to give more value to the stakeholders and face competition. Looking to the importance of cost control and cost reduction; recently the Government has given “more powers” to the Cost Accountants. The ICAI office bearers may keep this in mind to convert the threats into opportunities. Chartered Accountants are well known to do so.    

On education and training front, like any true sales man, our President advocated our product is the best; manufactured with best quality controls. We again request our President to kindly have a re-look on this issue. There is a lot of scope for improvement in curriculum, practical training, examination system and post qualification courses. He also disappointed us on ICAI initiatives for conducting quality coaching classes including exploring possibility of virtual classes.

He stressed and advised all the CA students to have full exposure during articleship of the various subjects from Audit to Taxation. On this aspect to lot of suggestions were made towards changing of eligibility criteria of a member to train the articled clerks from number of year’s practice, to other factors like other staff strength, receipts of the member. If this criteria is changed, we are sure students will get quality training, and dummy articleship issue will be solved to greater extent.

He agreed there are some problems on bank audit front, due to various stakeholders’ interest but he assured of full efforts to get back the limit to Rs.6.00 crores. Our President discussed increase in concurrent audit fee on the front of professional opportunities, but was not having any answer why concurrent audits are not allotted through empanelment, as in the case of statutory audits. Why one firm one concurrent audit principle is not followed? Everyone will be shocked to learn many regional council members are having 30-40 concurrent audits with their associates. Our group would like to welcome, that if like our MP’s, our Council and RC member, also declare their bank audits, government sector audits, Corporation Audits, (other than the CAG audits), every year, during their tenure as CC/RC member.

We did not hear a single word on CPE reforms from our President. It seems some “internal political compulsion” is there in introducing CPE reforms, for which we suggested, conducting more and more workshops, strict compliance of CPE guidelines by Branches and POU’s, giving free CPE seminars to all our youngsters for some initial years of their practice.

On tendering issue, our President apprised us that with liberalization the tendering process cannot be stopped. However he assured to take action against members who quote too low fees.  We welcome this step on the part of the ICAI.

We were eager to hear achievement of action plan of 2012-13, stage of progress of that plan, but we were disappointed on that front also.

Our worthy President’s did remarkable job by disposing off the Disciplinary cases, some of which were pending since more than 25 years,. He stressed on the need of self regulation. However; he did not touch upon ICAI action to enforce guidelines of ICAI in respect of ceiling on number of audits, in respect of dummy COP and action on members violating this. Self regulation is good, but at the same time we should not forget if no action, rather timely action is taken against the members, committing the professional misconduct, NFRA like situation takes place.

We requested our worthy President, to cover the communication gap, between the members and the CC, and to have transparency, council decisions be conveyed to members, though suitable mechanism. Our President assured us to look into this aspect.

At the end; of his speech, our President stressed on more and more suggestions from members and students through e-mails. He acknowledged that 32 council members, requires active support of 2.20 lac family members of CA Pariwar. He also acknowledged that it is member’s participation, with makes a program successful and Branch or Regional Councils are nothing with out active participation of members. He designated himself as custodian of funds of ICAI, which belongs to members and students. For Faridabad Branch he promised release of funds for completion of the branch building. We are sure, no special favour will be given to our Branch and our branch eligibility for funds shall be treated with the eligibility of any other branch, as per the rules/regulations of the ICAI.

We want to assure our worthy President/VP that our group has full faith in their able leadership and always ready to give suggestions provided these suggestions are taken in good and positive spirit. You will find many members, with so many practical solutions, if you have more and more open house and interaction with the members, during your felicitation programs, rather these “chaaploosi” type programs.  

In the end we would like to share famous quote of - Martin Luther King Jr.

The true measure of a man is not how he behaves in moments of comfort and convenience but how he stands at times of controversy and challenges. 

Best Regards

CA. Deep Jain

9810405767

 

 

 


CA SURENDRA KUMAR RAKHECHA (Practising CA at Surat) (26263 Points)
Replied 24 June 2013

In today's news; the SBI has announced to employ 10,000 more employees in current year.

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It means financial sector is not no weak which is said by the top authorities.



KARTIK (JOB) (240 Points)
Replied 25 June 2013

CA SURENDRA KUMAR RAKHECH

 

We need people like you sir.. hats off to you.. 


Roshini Rohra (CA ) (177 Points)
Replied 25 June 2013

Dear Surendraji,

Im glad that you have taken up all these issues along with Mr. Deep Jain. Im not that experienced to really comment on all the issues. But where the exposure is concerned yes I can say with the syllabus covered and practical experience gained during articleship training the knowledge is very limited. 

In my articleship experience, I had done computation of only Individuals & firms. Because of which once I became a CA i was finding it difficult to get a job. Fortunately for me I got a job on my level of confidence and not on my knowledge. But it is not necessary that all this may work everytime. 

If there are some refresher or topic based courses held on a regular basis or maybe made a part of the curriculum, students will find it very helpful to search for jobs after becoming CAs. 

Also the GMCS courses are not that equipped to change an individuals personality. Not a lot can be achieved in those 15 days. If some personality developement course is feasible for the Instititute to conduct that would work wonders for all the members & students. 



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