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Manipulation of results

Riddhi Thakkar (Manager - Legal and Secretarial) (121 Points)

25 February 2016

Do you think, like ICAI, even ICSI manipulates its results? This is affecting students life to the extent that they are giving up on studies all together and loosing confidence in themselves. If yes, what recourse do we have against the Institute. Please dont come up with saying that the student needs to study hard. The person i am talkin about has been a topper but is unable to clear CS Finals since last 7 attempts. I fail to understand whats wrong. Please suggest.

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chandra (student) (528 Points)
Replied 25 February 2016

Everyone who fails professional examination has a complaint against the Institute be it ICAI or ICSI.

Topper is a relative term.

When they fail they blame the Institute, Paper setters, Paper Assessers and everybody else in the rest of the world, except themselves.

There is also a movement amongst Students to Petition the President of India to direct Institute to remove one subject or the other which they consider irrlevant.

They know all. The Institute and it's members don't.

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Sathish M (Management Accountant) (40581 Points)
Replied 25 February 2016

The concerns of students cannot be brushed aside by standard replies. There has to be a transparent mechanism to redress serious grievances. If everything looked holy, no sinners in this world. There has to be realisation on part of the students too, something seems to be going wrong somewhere, and they can't keep playing a victims card ever time they face failures. There can not be hypocrisy on both sides, a practical approach to this problem must be worked out.

Nishant Singh (STUDENT) (43 Points)
Replied 25 February 2016

Actually the thing institute wants exact same answer as written in their material or at least your answer should closely resemble their type of presentation. But for ICAI from 2017 there is a new concept coming the OPEN BOOK EXAM PATTERN.

sejal parmar (ipcc group 1 clear) (93 Points)
Replied 26 February 2016

in that case they will try to fail more number of students.

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sejal parmar (ipcc group 1 clear) (93 Points)
Replied 26 February 2016

icai actually manipulate the results and playing with students life.

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Sushil Kumar yadav (Accounting and Taxation ) (22 Points)
Replied 26 February 2016

Yes, you are right.. ICAI manipulate the result but its only to maintain no. CA. I think icai has predefined percentage for result before its declaration. So, the only thing we can do... TO WORK HARD MORE N MORE TO COME IN SUCH PREDEFINED PERCENTAGE.. THAT'S ALL....

pranit (na) (66 Points)
Replied 26 February 2016

Yes institute does so what. b4 getting into this business we all had knw that isai does it still get into it. Bcos we all knw that there is worth having this degree. N if institute protecting this interest then its good. Its good that icai is maintaining demand. One thing i dont knw is how icai is maintaining %. Anyone knw how actuly icai does it??

anand (sr process associate) (40 Points)
Replied 26 February 2016

When there is more demand of CA then there are people who get clear in first attempt itself. But if demand is less then people struggle to clear and it takes them multiple attempts. .. Same for CS also.

Sanjay (CA) (27 Points)
Replied 26 February 2016

I dont know abt ICSI but ICAI is not manipulating results, its syllabus is tough and expectation from students is to high because of reputation of CAs in society.

So there is no supply and demand or anything like this. Industry still needs lot of CAs and businesses are developing quickly then passing of CA.

Now a days CA students can get certified copy of paper and many students get more marks in marksheet in comparison with their copy. so dont blame ICAI.

If anyone have complain they should directly contact Institute.

We should have respect for our Institutes.

chandra (student) (528 Points)
Replied 26 February 2016

Coming on this thread for the second time.

There are failures at IITs and IIMs also. I han't heard any student blaming these Intitutes or Professors their.

Students at these Institutes know achieving High Standards is essential for survival in the fierce competition in the ruthless world outside.And they prepare for the next exam.

If ICAI and ICSI are maintaining their standards, is there anything wrong.

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G soni (CA) (158 Points)
Replied 26 February 2016

While studying focus has to be on study. Any degree whether CA or cs will not give you work.what matters most is practical experience. Most of the students only focus on study. If you fails no matter what you do master the practical aspect in CA training.

jaimin (Finance Executive) (465 Points)
Replied 26 February 2016

What happend that is already happend, now we should have to concentrate on next attempt

Dixit Jawahar (CA Finalist) (444 Points)
Replied 26 February 2016

There is nothing wrong in ICAI maitaining its standards of qualifying a CA Student. But, at the same time a CA student needs to get the marks he deserves, otherwise, the students may get de-moralised and leave up the course itself. I am CA student or rather a Semi-qualified CA struggling to finish off my only group left (Group II) of CA Final for the past several years. But could not clear even in the Nov'15 attempt. Yes, I do agree that a student may fare badly in a couple of exams but not every time. No one can assure that there is 100% transparency in the valuation of Answer scriptts. There may be mistakes committed by the Valuers, but those things hardly come out. I can even mention a case which was posted almost 1 1/2 years back in CAClubindia which is like this.

A girl scored 179/400 in Group II in May 2014 examination and failed by 21 marks, but passed in all the subjects. She applied for verification and was declared passed by the Institute by awarding 21 marks and she ultimately scored 200/400. What if she has not applied for Verification of Anwer Books of that attempt. She would have started her preparation in right earnest for Nov'14 exam and there is no guarantee that she passes in this attempt. So friends, we cannot deny the fact that the mistakes are not being committed by the Valuers and traperancy is completely missing at the time of valuation of Answer scriptts. Even if you find out a mistake and report to the Institute, there is hardly anything that you can do about it as Institute does not entertain any complaints later on which clearly shows that Institute is not interested to alter the mistakes committed by it.

CA VEERENDRA MURASHILLIN HUBLI (CHARTERED ACCOUNTANT) (123 Points)
Replied 26 February 2016

WHEN I WAS STUDENT, I ALSO GOT 39 AND 206 BUT FAILED AND I WAS ALSO UNDER THE SAME IMPRESSION AS YOU ARE.NOW I AM REALISING I WAS WRONG SINCE I AM IN TO TEACHING AND THEIR EVALUATION OF PAPERS.THEN PRESIDENT USED TO TELL, YOU ARE INTELLIGENT, BUT NOT UPTO THE STANDARD ( AS EXPECTED) OF ICAI.THEN I STARTED TO REACH THAT WHEN EVEN NO SCIENTIFICA CALCULATORS WERE NOT THERE.NOW EVERY THING IS AVAILABLE ON NET.TRY AND ONE DAY YOU WILL ALSO ENDORSE MY VIEW