ITR FOR AY2017 18

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Divakar (Student CA Final ) (11857 Points)
Replied 02 April 2018

And sir my question is why in any country there is IDT as well as DT.... when someone earn income they pay direct tax on that... After that when expend that income pay IDT on almost every things in any way... When there is tax on exit gate then why tax is also on entry gate.... And most harassed salaried class person... Everyone earn money for expending it in any way... No one keep that it themselves... And IDT is on everything then why concept of DT is there.... Just for revenue collection and from the that money u do ghotala and all scam and politicians full their pockets with money and properties... And after that no one is responsible for that... And in last now our government blame it to on CA for every default... In case of PNB scam default is on their RBI part and our FM blame it on CA...
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Dhirajlal Rambhia (SEO Sai Gr. Hosp.) (182906 Points)
Replied 03 April 2018

" Sir , First of all your " Like " is really an honour for me, thanks for that .... Second please don`t address me with titles like "Sab" I feels uncomfortable ..thats heavy word for me ..... .. I am no where near your stature...  You said "Though you are aware of the legal interpretation..... Bravo......" was that a sarcasm .....or you really mean it ?..just confused ......."

1. I love and respect virtue, probity etc...... 'Inshaniyat' in short in a person, and that respect is for the quality, it may be any person, or child, howsoever small or big............ A person is measured from these qualities rather than his/her status/conditions....

2. There is no question of interpreting it in any other manner, I heartily love humanity, honesty etc.... which is seen in your act......... & hence truly respect without any sarcasm.......

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Dhirajlal Rambhia (SEO Sai Gr. Hosp.) (182906 Points)
Replied 03 April 2018

"my question is why in any country there is IDT as well as DT.... "

1. I will not touch here the corruption/gotala part, because that is altogether different issue.

2. As you said there should be only one tax structure, say IDT, (its good that all other taxes you grouped in DT & IDT part) which is consumption based, so that base on your consumption you pay tax........ Just so easy.

3. Why then DT?

a. DT is based on the cost you bear to compensate using the natural resources, air, water, etc.. For earning this income, natural resources were spent somewhere somehow. So, DT is the compensation you make for that.

b. Distribution of tax structure amongst different sections of society. Example economical weaker section may pay less, while rich may be taxed at higher rate.

c. Similarly distribution of tax structure based on different resources of earnings...... Example weaker section is employed in labour or agriculture, so giving exemption/concession to such earning patterns.

d. Particularly in India, based on our constitution, there are some specific/exclusive duties awarded to central and state governments. The main source of earning for central Government is from DT.

e. Rationalization of tax structure...... Example. even though we are paying less GST as compared to all clubbed taxes earlier; but highest slab 28% gave mental pain, and had to break !!! So think about addition of DT and IDT !!!

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Divakar (Student CA Final ) (11857 Points)
Replied 03 April 2018

Thanku so much sir for ur well explained reply... We people always ready to pay tax for a betterment society but what government is ready to serve and give a betterment society... Always a big question mark?? No one believes their integrity and i don't think it happened also in future... Till now people are not getting basic rights free well education quality or medical facilities... They don't do anything for betterment of education... Still now people are asking road, electricity, water and houses facilities just from government... And they play politics on that... Even government is changing 18% Gst on tuition fees.. From which point of view this is rational... At least provide basic rights education and medical facilities to all... In every 5 years of term they are expending hazar crores on election.... From where they earned that money.... People tax contributions is just wasted in election expenses... And now IDT is playing a big role in tax contributions... Bdw this all is not our discussion part... Thanx again sir for ur valuable point of view..

Divakar (Student CA Final ) (11857 Points)
Replied 03 April 2018

And no employment generating at all... Such a talented youth is unemployed... And even no support for small entrepreneurs... They r not getting even bank loans... They r ready to pay interest but also then they r not getting... Bank give loan only to reference person or who have more money.... That's why after freedom in India.... Richer become richest and poor people become more poor.... Inequality of wealth... In India this is not going to solve near by future... Still people are fighting for cast and reservations only... Here we r being known from our cast and not our nationality Indian.


Saifullah Khalid (Autodidact/Curious ) (633 Points)
Replied 03 April 2018

Originally posted by : Dhirajlal Rambhia

1. I love and respect virtue, probity etc...... 'Inshaniyat' in short in a person, and that respect is for the quality, it may be any person, or child, howsoever small or big............ A person is measured from these qualities rather than his/her status/conditions....

2. There is no question of interpreting it in any other manner, I heartily love humanity, honesty etc.... which is seen in your act......... & hence truly respect without any sarcasm.......


Dear Sir , Thanks again for your kind words and appreciation , Infact I am eligible for 6% rate which will result in "nil" tax liability (legally)...BUT I still prefers to declare voluntarily @ 20% ~25% resulting in tax liability of approx. 50K rupees....laugh...

Purpose of telling all this is to make people aware that though one SHOULD be aware of his legal rights/laws (so that he is not taken for granted and is not harassed) BUT still they should also " maintain a balance " between legal rights/duties  .

Suggestion for Govt :- Any one opting presumptive taxation schemes should pay at least a minimum amount to be eligible to opt in , this minimum amount can range betwen 1000 - 3000 rupees ... in case actual tax liability is below this amount or even "nil" tax liability then this much minimum amount should be charged....

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Divakar (Student CA Final ) (11857 Points)
Replied 03 April 2018

Sir thanks so much for ur contribution to our nation... But now a days not everyone is honest like u and even no intentions to pay any tax.... Firstly government should be honest on their part and transparency be there... They even now removed political party donations audit  and political party should also be audited... If integrity is restored in minds of people then almost everyone pay tax.... And in reward that government should provide atleast quality education facilities and medical facilities.... Now a days both service becomes so costly it is out of normal people limit... They even can't provide education to their children..


Divakar (Student CA Final ) (11857 Points)
Replied 03 April 2018

Why government is not ready to tell from which source they r getting so much money... So that they expend hazar crore on election in every 5 year term... Only CG elections... Besides there state government elections expenses.... And when government employees and TAX authorities become honest so that people r not required any bribe for every work.... Why we people always in "Katghara" why not government also be there.... Equality of law should be there... Be transparent in everywhere.... And these things never gonna happened

Saifullah Khalid (Autodidact/Curious ) (633 Points)
Replied 03 April 2018

Originally posted by : Divakar
Why government is not ready to tell from which source they r getting so much money... So that they expend hazar crore on election in every 5 year term... Only CG elections... Besides there state government elections expenses.... And when government employees and TAX authorities become honest so that people r not required any bribe for every work.... Why we people always in "Katghara" why not government also be there.... Equality of law should be there... Be transparent in everywhere.... And these things never gonna happened


Fact is not many people are as "vocal" as you are in these issues ...majority of society has become "selfish" and all these issues they accepted as " new normal " ....  

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Divakar (Student CA Final ) (11857 Points)
Replied 03 April 2018

From where they become concerned... Their dream is just getting handsome salary package, be resident in any abroad country and of their own flat in metro city where they live with their wife and children.... Thats all the dream of almost every Indian youth.... Now education becomes business... People do higher education just for money and not having any moral responsibility... In society people r respected with their status and not for what they r... Just like IPHONE is status nowadays... Whether they hv need or not... We should have take stand and government is also responsible for every activity... People are still fighting for reservations and religious issues..


Mushak shareef (eFiling Consultant) (144 Points)
Replied 04 April 2018

Dear all, 

As per CPC direction if any one want to file ITR, he has to contact AO.  If A O permits to file he can file either off line or online. How it is possble any key word will they give or how it is possible in online . pls put a light on it.

Thanks in advance

Mushak



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