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Is this for what we work hard day & night???

Rounak Chawla (CA Final Student) (291 Points)

21 August 2011

I have recently cleared My IPCC Both Groups-1st attempt in 9 months.

My total score is 491 which includes 91 in Group 1 A/c n 60+ in all other sbjects.

I have recently gone to BIG4s to apply for Articleship & i was shocked with what happened there.

the guard at the entrance gate took my CVs and told that wait for Call. When i got down, i met few employees of big4s, they all said that the guard will either throw your Cv in dustbin or use dem as a rough paper. i was so disappointed!!! they all said if u dont have any JUGAAAD inside big4 den u cant get in....

almost the same thing happend in grant thornton n many other firms....

My question is- IS THIS FOR WHAT WE WORK HARD DAY & NIGHT???? DO WE DESERVE SUCH BEHAVIOUR FROM FIRMS????

i m higly disappointed with what happened n upset to....i now think dat v all must stop studying n start finding JUGAADs as our marks don't matter but our Jugaad does.....

plzz reply CCIs.....!!!! n help me plzzz.....!!!

thanking one n all.

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Amar Kumar (CA Final , Intern ) (1095 Points)
Replied 21 August 2011

I didn't apply in any of the big 4's.

Like all ,I too was obsessed about getting a chance of articleship in the big 4's.

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This is a thread made by me 11months ago,I hadn't cleared IPCC then.You see that thread was quite popular.It has 59 replies,got me lot of thanks.

But,Later I came across stories like the one you have mentioned...about finding "jugaad".

And also heard lot of other things....which really pissed me off.

So I had made up my mind not to apply in any of the big 4's.....and as far as other firms are concerned...don't think about those firm who didn't select you!

You and I both know it's their loss not to have an article like you.you're a gem.

Coming to your question..." Is this for what we work hard day & night???"

I think the answer is that we work day and night to improve ourselves...We don't work day and night to get exploited by big firms....We work day and night to learn something new.

Beleive in yourself.....if we have the potential....we will reach the top!! you don't need big 4's to make or break your future.

Your future lies in your hands,and will always be!

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vikas verma (Chartered Accountant) (282 Points)
Replied 21 August 2011

This is very true. A lot of students are waiting for the call who have no reference in big 4s .

I tell u my story Raunak , I even dropped my SRCC for this practical training, but now nobody called me.

I have no jugaad in big4 directly but i am still trying my best.

Dont lose your hope Raunak.

I am with you.

Praveen CP (--) (274 Points)
Replied 21 August 2011

Dear Rounak,

No issues man ;) just dont take it soo personally .. they fail to realize our hardwork . even my experience was the same being a rank holder ..they made me wait for 2 months to give offer letter. I had almost lost hopes of joining Big4 . Only when i decided not to join big4 , i received my offer letter . I made it a point to tell the hr that i've lost interest to join . She was surprised at my gesture . I was called for a personal discussion . I made them realize that v r not dogs waiting for our food and walked out .

M happy not to have joined that company . Cheer up. You can always get back and join big4 post qualification. concentrate on Fianls now .

Regards

Rounak Chawla (CA Final Student) (291 Points)
Replied 21 August 2011

thnx a lot amar,vikas & pravin....

thnx for sharing ur experiences.....after reading dem my anger has come down..

Naman (Final ca) (296 Points)
Replied 22 August 2011

hi just email them

& they will call u specially E&y

others r mostly full
trust me just mail all people u wull get a call

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Rounak Chawla (CA Final Student) (291 Points)
Replied 22 August 2011

PROVIDE ME THE CORRECT EMAIL IDS PLZZZ....

Naman (Final ca) (296 Points)
Replied 23 August 2011

Rounak Chawla

do u have any frds doing article

wr do u live

Rounak Chawla (CA Final Student) (291 Points)
Replied 24 August 2011

ya i have a few frnds who have cleared IPCC wid me n luking for articleship lyk me......

i live in delhi....

@ super Caian...y do want to knw where i live????

CA Yatin Bansal (ACA, B.com, CS(Inter)) (196 Points)
Replied 25 August 2011

Can anybody provide me the email ids of HR in E n Y???? As i wanna do articleship there.. Plz help me dear...

CA Dipak (achiever) (238 Points)
Replied 25 August 2011

bt i dont undrestand whyyyyyyyy everybody want to do articleship in this so call big4.?

IS IT NECESSARY TO DO ARTICLESHIP OR JOB. IN THIS BIG4.

IF I M WRONG THAN PLZ CORRECT ME......

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Rajiv (Director) (42 Points)
Replied 25 August 2011

I really liked the reply posted by Amar Sharma. Make one thing very clear. The big 4 are not the end in themselves. Eventually, some of my friends who have worked in Big4 have been quite disgusted and have left them sooner or later. The latest example is a very close friend of mine who has left one of the big 4 after reaching the level of Director, and would have proceeded to become a partner in about a year or two. I myself was interviewed at both PWC and EY, and now have several friends there but never did chose to work for them ever. In your case, it is not necessary that you can have a smashing career only if you join big4 or articleship, or start your career with them. Sometime later on in your life/career, you would realise that there is life outside of big 4, and that life is bigger, better and more remunerative both economically and for your satisfaction levels. So as Amar says, you study day and night to improve yourself, to learn and become more useful for the society. And anyone who is useful to the society will always have good opportunities to serve the society, and also be paid well for that. And as I have discovered in my case, having done an articleship with a medium sized firm, the experience and knowledge which I gained has been tested time and again to be far better than what I would have got at a big 4. And my career has not been bad either. The grass is always greener on the other side. Once you reach the big 4 and the inital euphoria dies down, you would find that being in a smaller firm, but one which teaches you a lot more about life and practicalities of the world, would be a better place to spend 3 years which are so critical for anyone at this stage. Agreed, the big 4 have so comprehensive procedures and control points, that you learn a lot, but you can learn perhaps more if you chose your audit firm wisely. All the best.

(Also posted at empowertheloser.com)

Pawan (Student) (136 Points)
Replied 25 August 2011

You are right Raunak even I have passed IPCE both groups in first attempt and struggling for a place in good CA firms as an article. Students who have cleared only a single group and even that one in second attempt have joined these big CA firms just because they had some reference. I think this one is really a big issue that students like us don't get a good firm. So we should complain ICAI about this.

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