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ICAI bungles another exam again: This time CPT

josepanesar (starworld) (56 Points)

21 June 2010

This is Jose panesar aka Jose.p. As the posts being written by me through that id is being deleted without any reason(the first paragraph is being deleted); i am trying through this new id.______________________________________________________________________ In yesterday's CPT test; many questions esp of Maths were incomplete. LAw's question appeared in accounts sections; and questions of Maths were also incomplete at places. I am posting articles in the reply from my original id of jose.p

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jose.p (CA in service) (1676 Points)
Replied 21 June 2010

Ahmedabad Mirror of Times of India says this(https://www.ahmedabadmirror.com/index.aspx?Page=article§name=News%20-%20City§id=3&contentid=2010062120100621021902420bdfb3d1e) ________The second session of Common Proficiency Test (CPT) disappointed the students in subjects like quantitative aptitude (QA) which includes maths, statistics and economics. Unexpected objective questions on maths and statistics theory left them disappointed.**************************** Many aspiring chartered accountants had left a few chapters in “option” and chartered accountants institute’s decision to ask questions from some of these chapters simply stumped them. Said a student, “Micro economics was difficult and the questions in QA test were really twisted. Most of the questions were from chapters like Limitation, Derivatives and Integration which proved to be very difficult. Normally, these chapters do not hold great importance. And in numericals, we tried to apply the concepts but didn’t get results.”*************************** Another student complained that questions from chapters like ‘Co-ordinate Geometry’, ‘Ratio and proportion’ were not asked. “We prepared everything from these chapters. We regret focusing only on a few chapters and avoiding the others. Theory too proved to be difficult.”*********************** A few students said that the modules provided in ICAI books proved to be of great use in law, accounts and economics but they did not give any insight into QA test. Students who qualify CPT move on to the inter level of chartered accountancy programme.**********************************

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jose.p (CA in service) (1676 Points)
Replied 21 June 2010

For this link; get yourself a gujarati guy to translate to u. * સીપીટીની પરીક્ષામાં સ્ટેટના પ્રશ્નો અઘરા પૂછાયા ધી ઇન્ડિયન ઇન્સ્ટિટ્યૂટ ઓફ ચાર્ટર્ડ એકાઉન્ટન્ટ ઓફ ઇન્ડિયા (આઇસીએઆઇ) દ્વારા સમગ્ર દેશમાં રવિવારે સીપીટી (કોમન પ્રોફિશિયન્સી ટેસ્ટ) યોજાઈ હતી. બે સેક્શનમાં યોજાયેલી પરીક્ષા અંતર્ગત બીજા સેકશનના પેપરમાં સ્ટેટમાં કવોન્ટેટિવ એપ્ટિટ્યૂડ (ક્યુએ)ના પ્રશ્નોએ વિદ્યાર્થીઓને મૂંઝવ્યા હતા. જોકે ઓવરઓલ પેપર મધ્યમ પૂછાયું હોવાની મોટા ભાગના વિદ્યાર્થીઓએ પ્રતિક્રિયા વ્યક્ત કરી હતી. ********************************************* અમદાવાદમાં આશરે ૪૦૦૦ વિદ્યાર્થી અને સમગ્ર રાજ્યમાં આશરે ૧૫,૦૦૦ વિદ્યાર્થીએ સીપીટી આપી હતી. અમદાવાદનાં ૮ સેન્ટર ઉપરાંત રાજ્યમાં વડોદરા, સુરત, રાજકોટ, ભાવનગર સહિતનાં સેન્ટરમાં પરીક્ષા યોજાઈ હતી. ******************************************** સેક્શન-૧માં એકાઉન્ટ-લો વિષય સંબંધિત પ્રશ્નો પૂછાયા હતા, જ્યારે સેકશન-૨માં સ્ટેટ- ઇકોનોમિક્સને લગતા પ્રશ્નો પૂછાયા હતા. જેમાં સ્ટેટ વિષય સંબંધિત કવોન્ટેટિવ એપ્ટિટ્યુડને લગતા પ્રશ્નો વિદ્યાર્થીઓને અઘરા હોવાનું જણાવ્યું હતું. ***********************https://www.divyabhaskar.co.in/article/MGUJ-questions-of-statstics-put-make-students-in-trouble-in-the-exam-of-cpt-1078799.html+++++++++++++++++++++++Thank you, mr XXXX Shah for emailing me the link.(Name withheld on request)

Nitin Moudgil (~) (694 Points)
Replied 21 June 2010

u said ur ID is deleted bt u r active ???

jose.p (CA in service) (1676 Points)
Replied 21 June 2010

My id is not deleted. But i dunno what is happening to my posts. The opening reply gets deleted; and the thread isn't listed in the Forum as well. You can ask Aldrine sir about this. He is my witness.

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Krunal Raichura (Financial Advisory) (2134 Points)
Replied 22 June 2010

I am not aware of this incident in detail so it wont be right for me to comment.

From what I can read, questions of one section appeared in another - sounds sad, but doesnt come as a dissappointment because since last 2-3 yrs, these kind of things are going on. Sometimes, the question paper gets leaked, or doesnt add upto 100 marks, occassionally the results dont come on time, the revaluation process happens after the exams for next attempt are conducted.....the list of such incidents is endless. It seems ICAI is going through a bad time....it must consult an astrologer and check its stars :-)

From another thing I read, the students kept chapters at option and said that normally some chapters dont hold much of importance. Well, here i can say that 100% students are to be blamed. Students make their own assumptions and decide what is important and what is not and keep speculating about the type of questions being asked. In a way, I can also say that one of the reasons ICAI has been very harsh on some matters like that of transfers is because of students itself. I have seen that when some power is given to kids, they do not use it propperly. There have been cases of misbehaviour, multiple transfers, unprofessionalism etc earlier. I have also seen many students who would just not care about anything else except for exams and have a very exam oriented approach. However, I also feel that there are better ways to deal with such incidents and its quite unjust to adopt unconstitutional and undemcratic ways of ensuring discipline.

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CA Himanshu Bansal (Risk Manager) (2345 Points)
Replied 22 June 2010

When there is not chapterwise weightage,then why to assume which is important and which one is not ?

And saying no questions being asked from Ratio & Prop,Co ordinate ? Didnt they noticed,two simple questions from Ratio and Proportion,and at least one(I can recall one at this tym) was asked from Co-Ordinate...

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This time CPT!!!...

jose.p (CA in service) (1676 Points)
Replied 22 June 2010

CAclubindia is claiming 4lac members but are not improving services. Their apathy is forcing experts like CA Vivek of Dubai to leave forum. shame shame

Sandeep Kanoi (C.A.) (55 Points)
Replied 23 June 2010

Post of Mr. josh been deleted as many of them were copied from website www.taxguru.in

Kalpesh Chauhan, (Tax Assistant (Accounting Technician CA FINAL CS PROF. PROG. B.Com)) (8311 Points)
Replied 23 June 2010

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jose.p (CA in service) (1676 Points)
Replied 23 June 2010

To Aldrine Sir,I dont know; his first profile has been locked. He has been emailing to the Admin but they aren't responding.__________________________________________________________- To Mr Sandip Kanoi; i had copied one article from ur website ie that was the article that questions in CA final of May2010 were out of syllabus(Most of them are from other newspaper or copied from ICAI.org). This one is of Ahmedabad Mirror/TOI and Divya Bhaskar and not Tax guru. And regarding the deletion of my threads which Aldrine sir is talking; the reason is different and not case of copying of Taxguru; i feel there is deep conspiracy against me. They may have done something with the "settings". So sir, plz dont spread rumours.

Rahul Agarwal (Future CA) (217 Points)
Replied 24 June 2010

jose man u act a lot like rebillion or a social reformer!!!!!

I can say only 1 thing dat watever d Institute does it tries it level best considering the interest of the whole student and member society,

At the day end this Insti is only going to provide us with bread and butter!!!

So sumtimes stop pissing off!!!!!!!!

Really man, U should luk into d gud aspects of d institute sumtimes :)

jose.p (CA in service) (1676 Points)
Replied 24 June 2010

ICAI has NEVER ever tried its BEST to do anything for the students fraternity. Rather they try to put hurdles. Banning transfers,increasing fees,later processing of forms,late declaration of results; manipulation of results,MOUs with unrecongised univerities like NSOU or those who play with students' career like ignou by not declaring results in time;just to name a few. _________________________________________ICAI is never the one to provide bread and butter to the members or the fraternity. Their placement programme is erroneous,faulty and just for namesake. For practisioners; they are not gonna provide us with clients. All that happens is because of our hard work and god's blessings.___________________________ICAI has some good points also; but is vastly sorrounded by the minus points. We don't have good people in Council who works for student's benefit and all round development. Kuch logg hai; but they aren't allowed to work by the remaining who still think traditionally that students are bonded labourers.

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