Demand for ICWA

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Before going to decide on suitability of Chartered Accountants (CAs) and Cost Accountants ( ICWAs) for a particular statutory authority ( Salutatory Financial Audit or Cost Audit or Tax audit or Sec 14a and 14AA  or any thing) there are certain points to be considered. Both the institutions are claiming , that their institute is  more suitable than other. The points are..

 

 

1.SYLLABUS CONTENTS OF CA AND ICWA COURSES AND FOCUS  : Right from the beginning Institute of Chartered Accountants of India (ICAI) is focusing only on Accounts, Taxation and it does not have strong focus on the internal industry or company management practices .On the other side , ICWAI , included Cost Management Accountancy , Operations Management for strong focus on the internal industry or company management practices . The ICWAI has strong focus on the above subjects and also has very strong focus on Accounts and Taxation. ICWAI has focus on Cost and Management Accountancy , the strong structure of  Cost and Management Accountancy is obviously based on the strong foundations of accounts and Taxation.. International Institutes specialized in Management Accountancy have MOUs with ICWAI. So, ICWAI is the sole authority for Management Accountancy . And obviously it states ICWAI is equally strong like CA on Accountancy, Taxation and Audit ( even more strong and advanced than ICAI , because Management Accountancy is based on strong foundations of  Accountancy, Taxation)—A person can become a good  Judge (like Cost Management Accountancy)  only if he is good at law  (like  Accountancy, Taxation and Audit) .

 

 

2.THE FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT PART : Initially in the syllabus of ICAI financial management was not a part. Later for a long time CA did not have Financial Management in its  syllabus. This indicates members of ICAI and ICAI are not serious about Fin Mgt. Then how they are eligilible for the posts like VP-Finance, Director-Finance, CFO etc and finance posts?. One more point is “Institute of Chartered Accountants of India (ICAI) does not have strong focus on the internal industry or company management practices”

 

 

3.THE RATIONALE BEHIND ASSOCIATE MEMBERSHIP : To become Associate member of ICAI,  passing of Final exam of CA is sufficient satisfying article ship .The three years period  of   article is considered as three years of experience and Associate ship is given in ICAI. But , if you consider ICWAI the associate membership will be given if the candidate passes Final course of ICWAI and possesses three years of responsible experience. Definitely becoming Associate of ICWAI is difficult and worthy compared to three years of articles experience. If we compare the required three years of experience for Associate Membership in ICAI and ICWAI (a) In case of Articles of ICAI specific responsibility is not fixed on person (student) , but in case of ICWAI ( the candidate is mostly employee) the three years of experience is in a job where job responsibility is fixed. (b) most of the times, in ICWAI the person works and deals in the system of  an industry where management practices and  finance functional are present. (c ) The article ship experience is an experience gained as a student , i.e. . Normally understanding or working with half or zero knowledge. In case of ICWAI the three years of experience is with in job responsibility . If it is experience as semi qualified of fully qualified , then it is the experience gained with sound subject understanding. So in case of ICWA , the knowledge gained is more worthy and sound. The depth and scope of learning is more before becoming Associate Member in ICWAI compared to CA.

 

SO, ICAI SHOULD SERIOUSLY RE-THINK ABOUT ITS ARTICLES AND PROCEDURE OF  ASSOCIATE MEMBERSHIP . IT SHOULD EITHER AVOID ARTICLES OR SHOULD FOLLOW THE PRACTICES OF ICWAI FOR ASSOCIATE MEMBERSHIP.

 

 

4.IGNORING  INDUSTRIAL, MANAGEMENT PRACTICES, AND AUDIT : CAs don’t know really much  about management practices of Finance ( because only ICWAIs are management accountants , ICWAIs are fully aware of Accounts and Management) , then how CAs are eligible for audit? Even during Articleship also mostly they work under Auditor , not in industry , that also without having attachment to responsibility. A person without Management practices or Industrial Practices is not eligible for audit of organsations. A person can become a good  Judge (like Cost Management Accountant)  only if he is good at law  (like  Accountancy, Taxation and Audit) .

 

 

5.THE DYNAMICS OF SYLLABUS CHANGE : ICAI is not active in updating in syllabus and passive in equip its students and members to the changing dynamics. Because of the statutory protections that ICAI has , ICAI is mild and passive in changing syllabus. The same can be understood by observing its syllabus changes right from its inception. Financial Management is introduced lately, the dynamic Management Accountancy has no much role .Even now also ICAI is trying for Special Audit under Sec 14A , 14AA just by showing that Indirect Tax is a part of CA curriculum ( without Cost Audit and Management Audit, why such a delayed realization ? Weren’t they aware of the same from several years? ). If having a subject is sufficient for Special Audit, then ICWAI can claim “we are best fit for the posts like Production Manager, COO,  because Production and Operations Management is part of ICWAI curriculum”. Without any basic idea on Production and Operations Management , how ICAI can claim for 14AA.

 

Because of the failure and inability of ICAI in dealing with Finance and Management practices only ICWAI came into existence. Otherwise ICWAI would not have come into picture. Now after several decades , ICAI is claiming “we have expertise of ICWAIs also”. This is like claiming of Type Machine that “I am more suitable than computer in data management”.

 

 

One thing is to be remembered “Quality means fitness through knowledge not through ignorance” (see    8.Ignornce and Super ignorance : )

 

6.THE HARD WORK BEHIND PASS : Persons doing both CA,CWA simultaneously are facing difficulty in passing ICWA than CA. Persons who registered for both CA and ICWA simultaneously are completing CA earlier than ICWA. Number of CAs1,50,000 & ICWAs 40,000. CA syllabus less than ICWA , ICWA syllabus is more. Pass percentage of CA is more.

 

 

7.COMARISION WITHOUT STATUTORY PROTECTIONS AND SOUNDNESS: The Institute of Cost and Works Accountants of India is the only Institute in India that has in its syllabus and training contents the proper blend of cost, management accounting, finance and non-finance subjects required for professional management accounting functions. Needless to mention that in the Finance and Management Accounting Committee of the International Federation of Accountants – earlier known as FMAC and now known as Professional Accountant in Business Committee – ICWAI was represented since its inception and not ICAI. ICWAI  syllabus covers in-depth company accounts. It is  time them to conduct company audits also like CA. How is the idea to open Income Tax Audit to CWA and also remove CAs from VAT Audit as it is indirect tax feild?ICWAI academic filtration is for more superior and tough than simple CA,world wide management accountant has better acceptance than ordinary/simple CA. International bodies recognized ICWA and as qualification equal to their international standard course and allowed ICWAIs to practice in their countries.

And those international bodies gave mutual recognition between their course and ICWA.

But, CA is not given such recognition by international institutions , and ICAI is struggling to get such recognition.

 

 

8.IGNORNCE AND SUPER IGNORANCE : Without knowing the above facts , ignorantly some people feel CA is difficult and they have good knowledge than ICWA. They are ignorant people. There is another category , this is SUPER Ignorant people . These people take opinion of these ignorant people and say CA is difficult . The third category people , they argue CA is ultimate in Finance and Accounts and all statutory powers should be given to CAs . These people show the sample of ignorant and super ignorant peoples’ opinion to prove their argument.

 

 

9.IS THE RESISTANCE FROM ICAI  FOR NAME CHANGE PART OF SELF DEFENSE? : Cost accountants are also called Management Accountants all over the world in UK , US, Canada and even in Pakistan and Bangladesh also. Why that recognition is not given by Indian Govt? Even for name change also govt is not ready. Is this to standardize  the argument in point 8?

 

 

Why ICWAIs should not be defined under Section 288(2) of the Income Tax Act?

 

We are experiencing the frauds of audit by CAs ( recently Satyam).

 

 

Why CA has more recognition than ICWA  in spite of

 

·        Easiness

·        Less syllabus

·        Less focus on management and financial management practices compared to ICWA

·        With less dynamism in syllabus change/ up gradation compared to ICWA

·        Easier way of becoming associate member compared to ICWA

 

 

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(Guest)
Originally posted by : Nilanjan Chowdhury
It is needless to persu icwai because CA is one of the premier accounting certification in india and abroad.Ministry should study the utility about the existence of icwai in the present economic scenario.

YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE TERM ACCOUNTING SO YOU TOLD THAT ICWA IS NEEDLES, I THINK YOU HAVE NO IDEA IN ( CA, CWA, CS), IF YOU WANT TO TALK WITH ME THEN CALL ME 9937230108

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CMA Ankur Pandey (Govt.Job) (4401 Points)
Replied 03 September 2011

VERY GOOD & INTERESTING DEBATE BY BOTH OF OUR MEMBERS

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Pralay Chakraborty (Service) (482 Points)
Replied 08 September 2011

Basically ca's used to work under the CMAs... juz chk it out........

 

·         Director Finance of BHEL is a CMA (giant Enggineering company)

 

·         Chairman and Director Finance of ONGC are CMA (the largest Oil Co).

 

·         The MD of the largest bank in the Pvt.Sect is a CMA (ICICI).

 

·         The Chairman of GIC (the largest General Insurance player) is a CMA.

 

·         The Chairman of the largest Pharma Co. (Pfizer) is a CMA.

 

·         The Chairman of the largest FMCG Co. Hindustan Unilever(HUL) is a CMA.

 

and the list goes on.....

All of the most prestigious company's finance & accounts Deptt headed by CMAs only.. ca's may work under them.

Moreover ca's generally do financial audit. for that they always ready to sale them. (SATYAM case proved that).

Better open all the statutory works for CMAs & ca's as well .. this will ensure the Quality of the corporate world.. Otherwise more Satyam case is coming soon!!!! And by this way ca's will create a more worst image of Indian Corporates infront of the whole world.

 

and ca syllabus remain same, icai only put some papers of a group in another group or simply rename the group(IPCC from PCC/ PCC from Inter/ CPT from Foundation ).. its not the syllabus change..on the other hand ICWAI is continiosly working on its syllabus to make it an international level. thats why ICWAI gets more MoU with different international bodies than icai

 

Recognition of ICWAI is just a matter of time.....

 

CMAs.......Rule the Corporates.......

 

Any spelling mistake in the post is for an unintentional human error/ for using shortcuts ....so please ignore.

 

 

 

CMA . PRALAY CHAKRABORTY

  (Cost & Management Accountant)

 

 











(Guest)

Oh, another  cwa feeling inferior before CA. I think your father or your grand father must have tried CA. Even you did not become success in CA to give due respect to yourself. Now you are trying to take personal revenge to ICAI. Lekin yar tumare tarah yaha lakheo log lage huye hain. Now i want to give examples , Any students whether poor or rich prfer CA and they can do . Like Take your example you tried but failed , but you were given chance to persue CA. ANother rich exapmle , Chairman of Aditay Gruop, Kumar Manglam Birla , he did CA at 21. 

Now , dont frustrate yar , fir se , you join and try .But i think there are some CWA's , they want ready polaw, rather working hard and complete CA. They want to brand CWA so that they can enjoy friut without hard work. 

Yar phir se try ker le yar kyon itna gussa ho rahe ho. SO called CMA is far from India yar , I also want to CMA US not CMA in India . CFA is alos in India . But world knows which CFA is globally reccognied, CFA US . Because their quality matters. If bro you feel is quality control in CA, you suggest govt .icai and   



Sujit Samantaray (Employed) (28 Points)
Replied 30 November 2011

Yes Mr.gupta. you are correct...Quality of CFA from US matters..So as the quality of CA in Satyam fiasco.. In GTB Scam. etc... but in reversal mode(and many more unreported scams...FYI Satyam financial fraud was just a tip of an ice berg).The CFA from US is neither backed by any statutory Act.Nor they have blocked the growth of other alma mater by indulging backdoor lobbying and other unethical means.As you rightly pointed the CEOs and other TOP positions of india inc occupied by CAs happens to be from business communities who have natural inclination to accounts..And this tendency lead to favaourable consideration of CA passouts to get undeserved recognition and oppurtunities in India Inc.Pls wake up to the fact...Enviorments are changing.Now a days so  much transperancy and disclosure is demanded by various agents of civil society.. And GOVT also converging to this fact..,The time is not far away when the exclusive areas(audit,certification.etc) and the monopoly enjoyed by ICAI will be gradually be opended up to others.

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(Guest)

Yar sujit ,

You should first know the realty. Chartered Accountants are not only backed in India , it is all over world. It is sole statutory qualification in the world to regulate accounting  and auditing professional across the world. Its name name can differ. It is called CPA or CGA or CA. Tumahara  knowledge update karo no.

If one doctors commits frauds , it does not mean , whole medical profession is in trouble. and If one MBBS qualified fails to renders services to its patients , ayurvedic or homopathy can take over all alloyipathy.

First you go through the accounting regulations of some countries, then reply on the subjects. 

 

If CA gets more favorable from industries , who refrain you to do CA course. Other you accept you have failed in your choice . CA achhe achhe ko phhad ke rakha  deta hain. tabhi usko CWA ki yaad yati . And h e thinks to promote CWA . All theses things are well known to all of us.  

 

 

 



(Guest)

 

Dear Pralay

Motivation is good , but misleading is not good, 

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See the Placement Salary Package (Rs. In Lacs) Ave and Highest Jamnalal Bajaj Institute : 123%

(2010) 14.28 24 ICAI: 38% in (2010 Campus) 6 67 (Ollam International ,Signapore)

ICWAI: % ? (2010) ?? ???? 

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(Guest)

Dear CWA  Freinds 

Please see the profile of Hindustan Lever Chairman , Mr Pralay claims him to be cost accoutants. Do not  mislead ,

https://www.hul.co.in/Images/AnnualReport0910_tcm114-225889.pdf

 

Mr. Harish Manwani

Mr. Harish Manwani (57) assumed charge as the Non-Executive Chairman of the Company with effect from 1st July, 2005. He is also the Chief Operating Officer of Unilever.

 

Harish ManwaniChairman

Mr. Manwani joined the Company in 1976. He joined the Board of the Company in 1995, as a Director responsible for the Personal Products business. In addition, he held regional responsibility as the Category Leader for Personal Products for the then Central Asia & Middle East (CAME) Group.

In 2000, Mr. Manwani moved to UK as Senior Vice President for the Global Hair Care and Oral Care Categories and in early 2001, he was appointed as President - Home & Personal Care (HPC), Latin America Business Group. He has also served as the Chairman of Unilever’s Latin America Advisory Council. In 2004, he was appointed President and CEO of the HPC North America Business Group, and in April 2005, was elevated to the Unilever Executive as the President - Asia & Africa.

Mr. Manwani is an Honours Graduate from the Mumbai University and holds a Masters Degree in Management Studies. He has also attended the Advanced Management Program (AMP) at Harvard Business School.

Mr. Manwani is a member of the Compensation Committee of the Company. He is currently a member of the Executive Board of the Indian School of Business. In 2008, Mr. Manwani received the CNBC Asia Business Leader of the Year Award

 



(Guest)

Chair Man ONGC Ltd (2002 -7)

 

R S Sharma is Chairman & Managing Director of ONGC. Being on the Board of ONGC since 1st March 2002 and holding the additional charge of CMD of ONGC since May 2006, R S Sharma has been credited to have brought in numerous business improvements in ONGC; leveraging strengths to build up its fortunes over the last few years. In these five years, he played an important role in providing value dimensions to ONGC�s business, which grew from less than 6 billion US dollars to around 20 billion US dollars.

He was also on the Board of ONGC Videsh Ltd. (OVL), India�s biggest multinational, before taking over as Director (F) on the Board of parent ONGC. Sharma played a pivotal role in financial engineering of ONGC�s other subsidiary MRPL also, which was �sick� when ONGC acquired it.

The topping of the cake, however, is Sharma�s thrust on augmenting capex investment, for growth. In 2006-07, ONGC board cleared investment proposals worth over Rs 34,000 crore.

Mr. R S Sharma is a Fellow Member of the Institute of Cost & Works Accountants of India, and an  Member of the Indian Institute of Bankers (One of toughest exam for bankers). His run-up to this career peak commenced 35 years ago in 1972 with the Union Bank of India. After serving there in Credit Appraisal and related spheres for a decade, the banker relocated to Baghdad, to head the Finance function of another public enterprise � The Indian Road Construction Company. The next six years in the construction company (four years in the Middle East) saw him pilot many important projects single-handedly, before he joined ONGC in July 1988 as Joint Director (Finance), posted at Assam.

Under his stewardship, ONGC was assigned Baa1 Credit Rating, the highest-ever Credit Rating assigned by Moody�s to any Indian Corporate.

Several awards have come his way, in recognition to his individual contributions, one of the latest being in November 2006, viz. CNBC TV-18 CFO Award 2006 for excellence in Oil and Allied services category � India�s most recognized award for excellence in the financial field. He was also conferred with India CFO Award 2005 � Excellence in Finance in PSU n December 2005, by International Market Assessment (IMA), in association with BNP Paribas, Sun Micro Systems and CNBC TV-18.

 

 




(Guest)

See anothr case 

 


Y M Deosthalee
L&T Finance Holdings: Chairman & Managing Director
L&T Infotech: Director

Mr. Y.M. Deosthalee is a qualified Chartered Accountant and holds a degree in law. He joined L&T in 1974 and held positions at various offices of L&T all over the country. In March 1995, Mr.Deosthalee was appointed as Wholetime Director on the Board of Larsen & Toubro and held the title of Chief Financial Officer, till he retired on 5th September 2011.

During his long tenure as CFO with L&T, he was controlling Finance & Accounts, Risk Management, Shared Services and Human Resources. He also provided strategic inputs and helped in business building of L&T Infotech.

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(Guest)

Please see Detail of Chairman OF GIC,

 

Mr.Yogesh Lohiya
   
   
Mr.Yogesh Lohiya
Chairman-cum-Managing Director
General Insurance Corporation of India
Suraksha Bldg, 170 J T Road,
Churchgate, Mumbai
Tel : 22867591
Fax : 22884010
Email : cmd @ gicofindia.com
 
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Mr. Yogesh Lohiya is a Mechanical Engineering graduate and an Associate of the Insurance Institute of India. He also holds a post-graduate diploma in management from the All India Management Association.crackcrack

 

Mr. Lohiya had a short stint in the manufacturing industry before joining the Insurance Industry as a direct recruit officer in The Oriental Insurance Company Ltd. in 1977.crackcrack

 

During his stay in OICL spanning over three decades, Mr. Lohiya handled various technical departments and provided his expertise to the Company’s offices in India and abroad on technical matters.crackcrack

 

He has served as member on various professional committees which include Insurance & Pension Committee of Federation of Indian Chambers of Commerce and Industry.crackcrack

 

A prolific writer, Mr. Lohiya has authored several books on various issues related to the Insurance sector. He has also presented papers on a variety of subjects at Seminars in India and abroad. Several of these have also been awarded.crackcrack

 

Mr. Lohiya also holds the following positions :crackcrack

 

  • Chairman on the Board of GIC Housing Finance Ltd
  • Chairman on the Board of GIC Asset Management Co. Ltd
  • Director on the Board of Life Insurance Corporation of India
  • Director on the Board of Indian Register of Shipping
  • Director on the Board of Kenindia Assurance Co. Ltd., Nairobi, Kenya
  • Director on the Board of East Africa Reinsurance Co. Ltd., Nairobi, Kenya
  • Council Member of Asian Reinsurance Corporation, Bangkok, Thailand
  • Member of the Insurance Advisory Committee of Insurance Regulatory And Development Authority
  • Member of the Governing Board of National Insurance Academy
  • Member of the General Body of National Insurance Academy Society
  • Member of the Council of and Deputy President of Insurance Institute of India
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(Guest)

 

 

 Shri Ashok Kumar Roy
Shri Ashok Kumar Roy

Chairman-cum-Managing Director (officiating)

General Insurance Corporation of India

Suraksha Bldg, 170 J T Road,

Churchgate, Mumbai

Tel : 22867591

Fax : 22884010

Email : cmd @ gicofindia.com


Shri Ashok Kumar Roy 

Chairman-cum-Managing Director (officiating)


 

Mr. Ashok Kumar Roy is an Engineer with B. Tech (Hons.) in Engineering from the Indian Institute of Technology, Kharagpur.  He is also a Fellow of the Insurance Institute of India.

Mr. Roy joined the General Insurance Industry as a direct recruit Officer in 1979. He was with the Oriental Insurance Co. Ltd. for 29 years in various capacities before moving to GIC Re in June 2008 as General Manager. In December 2011 Mr. Roy was selected for posting as Chairman-cum-Managing Director of Agriculture Insurance Company of India Limited. Subsequently Mr. Roy has been posted as officiating Chairman-cum-Managing Director of GIC Re on 2nd of January 2012.

Mr. Roy has been a member of Technical Sub Committee (Engineering) of TAC and was closely associated in Development of Core Insurance Solution (INLIAS). He also headed the core group for development of Fire & Engineering Module. He has attended several training programmes on Change Management, Negotiation skills, and Corporate Governance.

 


CMA. Rakesh Kataria (Practising Cost Accountant)   (536 Points)
Replied 06 January 2012

 Both CMA and CA degree is only permit to enter industry, rest on you how you perform. Nobody will give you promotion on the basis of qualification, you need to work hard and show you capability

20 year back CA degree was only for practicing in the field of tax and financial audit, as most (90%) of the CA's were practicing. now CA course is like MBA. most (90%) of the new passed out students are doing jobs. As it is losing status of professional course.  Articleship requirement is main barrier for economically backward students to do CA course. Also talents from  IIM/MBA/IIT cannot do this course as article ship is required.

20 year back CWA ( Now CMA) course was doing mostly by working peoples for getting professional degree. That time 95% members were doing jobs only . Now in last 10 years it is getting well response from students.  Economically backward students can do this course he can work/Earn/Study.  This course is open for students of Accounting and Management area. MBA’s can do this course as 3 year practice experience is required.  Now area of practice is enhanced.

So according me if you want to do job than CMA is better and if you want to in Practice area  than CA is better.

 

 

 

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(Guest)

I agreed with your view,

But still, CWA is mostly persued by working class. I think very few percenatge of students optCWA as their career initailly.

And As fa CMA is concerned , it is totally industry oriented and based on  exprience. We can take the example CGMA, CPA is public acounting domain , but on the basis CPA moving mostly to industry , on the basis of job exprience , they will get CGMA without further exam.But CIMA member will not get CPA without fully passing exams on the other hand to restrict them from public practice.



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