samarjit ghosh (student) (288 Points)
12 December 2010
" CA final is much easier than cracking CAT..?"
one of our cci member has posted this on a particular discussion.is it right ?
i have no idea about CAT .i know it is hard to get 90+ percentile in CAT.but
all says that after IS exam CA is the taughest exam in India.
so plz leave your reviews
MOHIT MAHAJAN
(LCS, ACA)
(2050 Points)
Replied 12 December 2010
In my opinion there is no point of comparing CAT and CA exam. Both are totally different focussing on different areas. CAT is conducted as an entrance to a degree, its purpose is to see what is the potential of the candidate to learn. It focuses more on what we can learn in future whereas CA Final focuses more on what we have learned till date. Bache ne CPT/IPCC aur training mein kya potential dikhaya aur kya sikha. Its conducted to complete our degree.
Take some CA rankholders and make them to appear for CAT. Some of them will get good percentiles while others may fell miserably, similarly take some CAT students who have got 90+ percentiles and let them appear for CA, some will pass while some may fail. There is no yardstick for comparing two exams or degrees or courses.
For debating everyone will have his/her own thoughts. Some one can say that civil services examination is the toughest exam. Similarly ask an engineering student and he will start about AIEEE. Our academic structure has various professional options for different academic field and there are some tests to analyze the potential and capability of candidates.
CAT/CA/AIEEE/PMET/CIVIL SERVICES these all will take you to different fields. So why stressing to proove that one is better or other is inferior. If any one feels that MBA is better or CAT is tougher then he can go for MBA, if someone feels that CA is better and more prestigious he can go for CA. Koi kisi ko nhi rokta, its your choice.
You and me are a ca student and we should be proud of it. We know that its one of the most respected profession. Ye proove karne ke liye kisi debate ki zaroorat nhi. Our work can proove it. We know that we have statutory powers behind us. Ab kisi company ko agar MBA chala raha hai to bhi uski balance sheet par stamp to CA ki hi lagegi na, chahe usne IIM se MBA ki ho ya kahin aur se. Similarly Pay packages mein abhi bhi MBA (specially from A grade institutes) ko generally CA se zyada milta hai. So both have their own pros and cons.
I frequently come across posts comparing two degrees (mostly MBA & CA). Although they do start with healthy and good comparisons but subsequently they turn into mudslinging on each other. Degree badi-choti nhi hai, its the person possessing the degree whom we should value. Degrees are to assist individuals. So its better to compare individuals instead of degrees. You should compare two degrees to see which one is better from your own prespective i.e. keeping in mind your interests and strengths. And being a professional student we must respect other professions and degrees too whether its related to arts/commerce/science/fine arts or any other field. Har field aur degree hard work aur dedication maangta hai.
I too appeared for CAT 4 yrs back during my b.com and got something around 83 percentile. Shayad ek attempt aur deta to 90 aa jate. But then left it for some reason and moved to CA/CS. 3 attempts of ca final and result -FAIL. Dont know MBA karta to kya hota, CA kar raha hoon to kya hoga. But one thing i know is that i never felt ki MBA bekaar hai, cs achi hai ya cs bekaar hai ca achi hai or something else. Sab mein apni taraf se mehnat ki aur kuch galtian bhi. Acha ya bekaar main khud hoon, degree nhi.
So forget such posts. Discuss these only if there is something positive to compare.
samarjit ghosh
(student)
(288 Points)
Replied 12 December 2010
thank u brother for ur nice and to the point comment.thanks alot.
brother can i ask u a friendly quistion .as u r the right person to do so.
u have the both experience of CAT and CA(final).which exam is though?
see i have respect for both the degrees.but it is only my
MOHIT MAHAJAN
(LCS, ACA)
(2050 Points)
Replied 13 December 2010
Hmmm... well now if u still want just one line opinion then simply speaking my personal view is Cracking CAT (or to enter IIM) is more tougher than CA Final.
And now if you want to go through my thoughts on this then read ahead.
Remember in CAT there is no pass or fail. YOU will get some percentile and if yuo manage to get into a institute of your choice then you are pass and if u dont then u r fail no matter how high your percentile was. Unlike CA exam, CAT dont ask for any professional or specialised knowledge of any field. If u go through the CAT questions you will find that they are maximum upto graduation level. In Quant (maths) they ask you conceptual problems involving concepts of ratios, speed/distance, proportions, probabilities etc. Similarly english consists of vocab., reading capability, verbal questions etc. and DI contains analytical reasoning, logical questions etc.
U just pick some CAT based sample paper and try solving it just for fun i.e. without exam point of view, and you will find that even without any preperation, and just with basic knowedge you got upto graduation you can sort out many questions of all sections yourself just based on simple logics and reasoning. Thus CAT question structure is much simpler than CA Final and I feel that this simplicity of CAT makes it more tougher than CA. U see being simple is not so simple.
CAT is taken by student of every stream i.e. commerce/science/arts, hence paper is structured so as to give equal opportunity to everyone. They will not ask a question on amalgamation or a question to form chain reactions or how plants/animals reproduce.
They will simply put a question like - Ratan, Anil, Pinku and Gaurav are brothers of Rakhi, Sangeeta, Pooja and Saroj (not in order). Each boy has one sister and name of brothers and sisters dont begin with same letter. Pinku and Gaurav are not Saroj's or sangeeta's brother and saroj is not ratan's sister.
Tell who is Pooja's brother???
Now whether you are a ca or an engineer or a doctor or whether you were a rank holder or a compartment holder is not going to make any difference to solve it. You just need some logical calculation to get the answer. In exam you will have some seconds to solve it. Some will sort out in just few seconds, some may take a minute and some might leave it.
Hence i feel that showing our natural or simpler logical and analytical ability can sometimes be more difficult than being a highly complex professional. Not just CAT, i feel every competitive exam right from recruitment of a clerk to recruitment of an IAS is more challenging for me than a professional exam.
We all always hear that CAT was tough this time or easy and every mba student keeps on talking about CAT, but once CAT is through, you get admission to MBA, we never hear of how were the exams of MBA. Whenever we talk about IIM we go directly to CAT but we dont discuss how was the paper of IIM i.e. the semester or final exams of IIM students which they appear for getting their degree, bcoz those exams become professional i.e. for a MBA
And let me tell u that going by same reasoning which i have given, someone can also conclude that competitive exams are more easier than professional one as its more simpler to show your general reasoning ability than to show professional one. It just depends...Hope u understand what i m trying to say!!!
sakshi
(finance executive)
(58 Points)
Replied 13 December 2010
@ Mohit -
Nice explanation, but still i contradict. I've come across many MBA students, they too study a/c, FM, Tax etc. but they are no where near even an average ca student. I m not talking against mba but just comparing there scope of study with that of ca. They study every subject from general point of view whereas in ca it requires much deeper analysis and knowledge. As compared to mba i feel ca is more unstructured course with wide range of syllabus and quite voluminous. Hence i feel CA is more tougher.
Not intending to hurt feelings, just expressing my opinion.
MOHIT MAHAJAN
(LCS, ACA)
(2050 Points)
Replied 14 December 2010
Yes i do agree that ca is much wider and deeper than MBA but the point is MBA is not supposed to go deeper into tax, a/c. Its not his field. Every degree or course has its own purpose and objective. CA's are supposed to be experts of A/c, audit, tax etc but MBA is not required to do so. An MBA is for general management of the company. Every co. has CA, CS, Lawyers for getting advise in their respective expertise fields, hence MBA is supposed to coordinate their activities and to run the co. with such coordination and cooperation. An MBA gets advise from them and then applies it to the given business situation as per his analysis. However there is no bar on him to gain knowledge. As i have earlier said a degree can't restrict an individual. If a MBA holder wants, he himself can go deeper into areas of his interest and can end up with expertise knowledge.
And in my above post, i have not compared MBA-CA, i am focussing more on the exams of these courses. I dont ever feel need of comparing any course of any field with each other.
VIKAS MITTAL
(CA FINAL STUDENT)
(24 Points)
Replied 15 December 2010
it is easy to say anything but difficult to do
u r the first person that say that CA COURSE is easy
duniya se alag ho
MOHIT MAHAJAN
(LCS, ACA)
(2050 Points)
Replied 15 December 2010
| Originally posted by : VIKAS MITTAL | ||
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it is easy to say anything but difficult to do u r the first person that say that CA COURSE is easy duniya se alag ho |
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I repeat my friend, i have not said that CA COURSE is easy. I have said that passing CA Final for a student having professional mindset is easy as compared to passing a competitive exam and i m saying it for myself only & i haven't yet cleared it bcoz of my own mistakes and deficiency in preperation.
samarjit ghosh
(student)
(288 Points)
Replied 17 December 2010
but i think ICAI ka samjhna muskil hi nahi na mumkeen hay
MOHIT MAHAJAN
(LCS, ACA)
(2050 Points)
Replied 18 December 2010
Ye to hai. ICAI ki maaya wahi jane...
snehal prabhavalkar
(Artickle Clerk)
(29 Points)
Replied 20 January 2011
yes i agree with mohit...getting into the iims(especially A/B/C) is tougher than clearing ca final...i hav a frnd who has cleared pcc with 4th rank and secured 99.9 percentile in cat...
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