Milind Kulkarni (CA Practice ) (81 Points)
26 February 2022Can someone please inform me what all documents are required to be submitted while submitting application for PAN for NRI? Will it make any difference if NRI is an Indian passport holder or a foreign passport holder? And how should these documents be submitted - only online or they also have to be submitted physically? If physical dispatch is needed, will the NRI need to send it from his/ her foreign location as original documents will be with him/ her?
sabyasachi mukherjee
(27292 Points)
Replied 26 February 2022
JJJ
(Need help)
(673 Points)
Replied 26 February 2022
Even if required to send hard copies by post, it's usually not a problem. The PAN application site has (mostly) clear guidance. And a physical PAN card is no longer required for any purpose by law. Still, if you need one, there is an additional charge and they will send it anywhere in the world.
| Originally posted by : sabyasachi mukherjee | ||
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A nri is born and brought up there ?birn in India brought up outside India? |  |
No. The term is quite self-explanatory: Non-Resident Indian.
An NRI is by definition an Indian citizen who does not live in India. There is no connection with the person's place or time of birth, their ethnicity or national origin. It is a simple function of current citizenship and current country of residence. Which means, for example, Laxmi Mittal (born in India, living in Britain) is an NRI. My cousin (born in Japan, living in Britain) is also an NRI. Both have Indian citizenship and both live in another country. Those are the only two criteria.
An NIR (Non-Indian Resident) is by definition a person of any citizenship other than India who lives in India. Again, there is no connection with the person's place or time of birth, their ethnicity or national origin. It too is a simple function of current citizenship and current country of residence. Which means, for example, Alia Bhatt is an NIR. Where, when and to whom she was born is irrelevant. But since at the moment she is a foreign citizen resident in India, she is a Non-Indian Resident.
As for people of any ethnicity, background, religion, parentage or place of birth who neither have Indian citizenship nor do they live in India, they are simply foreigners. So by legal definition Rishi Sunak and Kamala Harris and Joanna Lumley and
Most of the rest of us billion plus are simply resident Indians, because we have Indian citizenship and we live in India.
And of course, this is a point in time definition, that can change. Sonia Gandhi and Mother Teresa went from being a foreigner to an NIR to a resident Indian just like you and me; but neither were ever an NRI. Vijay Mallya went from being a resident Indian to an NRI; but he's never been an NIR or a foreigner. Sundar Pichai went from being a resident Indian, to an NRI to a foreigner.
sabyasachi mukherjee
(27292 Points)
Replied 26 February 2022
JJJ
(Need help)
(673 Points)
Replied 26 February 2022
| Originally posted by : sabyasachi mukherjee | ||
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I know very well what constitutes the content of Section 6(1).Say if by birth he is an Indian citizen but by dint for the last 10 years he is staying outside India as detailed in section 6.Then he comes to India. Don't compare with Sundar pichai .Naming a certain person does not force you to imitate him.what I have explained is as per Income tax act. please be precise and to the point.The querist had not mentioned whether he is in India for a period of 4 preceding years but he is outside lndia. So he is outside India. | |
No one is forcing anyone to imitate anyone. These are simply examples using names of famous / known people.
By the way, what is "birn"?
sabyasachi mukherjee
(27292 Points)
Replied 27 February 2022
Milind Kulkarni
(CA Practice )
(81 Points)
Replied 28 February 2022
Thanks everyone for your valuable contribution and clarification. As per my knowledge, the lady is India-born but settled for last many years abroad with a foreign passport. She wants to apply for PAN. My another doubt is - in the mobile No. field, do we have to compulsorily mention Indian mobile number? What if the person does not have any contact in India whose mobile no. can be given? Can we provide her foreign mobile No. in such case?
JJJ
(Need help)
(673 Points)
Replied 28 February 2022
So the lady is not Indian nor is she an NRI. She is simply a foreigner.
As far as I know, an Indian address and number are compulsory, even if someone else's and the international contact information can be included in addition.
It does seem strange that the lady never had a PAN before and seemingly no connection to India (other than birth) yet needs an India PAN.
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